27 comments

  • arian_ 34 minutes ago
    Anthropic renting out the data center Elon built for Grok is the kind of plot twist you can't make up.
    • brokencode 13 minutes ago
      Pretty smart for SpaceX though. They’re turning an asset they made for a money-pit (Grok) into probably a major source of revenue ahead of their IPO.
  • mirzap 11 minutes ago
    Doubling the five-hour rate limits is merely a marketing stunt if the weekly rates are not also doubled. It simply means that you can reach the weekly limits in three days instead of five.
    • swalsh 7 minutes ago
      I have never come close to my weekly limit, but have hit my hourly limit frequently.
      • mirzap 6 minutes ago
        For me it's the opposite. I almost never hit hourly limit, but I hit weekly limit in about 5 days.
  • swalsh 2 minutes ago
    Models are a commodity, let's say Elon actually figures out building datacenters in space, or maybe he continues to be the leader of building earth based datacenters. Probably better business to not have yourself as your only customer. Dogfood, and open it to all.
    • mplewis 1 minute ago
      The first is impossible and the second isn't happening and won't happen.
  • htrp 1 hour ago
    >Higher usage limits

    >The following three changes—all effective today—are aimed at improving the experience of using Claude for our most dedicated customers.

    >First, we’re doubling Claude Code’s five-hour rate limits for Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans.

    >Second, we’re removing the peak hours limit reduction on Claude Code for Pro and Max accounts.

    >Third, we’re raising our API rate limits considerably for Claude Opus models,

    Looks like Elon's finally giving up on XAI and just selling the compute

    • peder 16 minutes ago
      > Looks like Elon's finally giving up on XAI and just selling the compute

      I don't think that's certain yet, but I do think that the open-source models like Gemma and Qwen are getting so good so fast that even Anthropic has real risk around the long-term value of their models and tooling.

      Basically, if I'm Anthropic or xAI, I try to get revenue whenever and wherever possible and see what sticks. There's no value in playing for monopolistic control when everything is so volatile.

      • swalsh 0 minutes ago
        There's always money in the giggawatt datacenter
    • kingstnap 6 minutes ago
      The details are secret. It very well could be wasted GPU time but Anthropic could have made a killer offering as well.

      I'm just speculating, but a particularly killer offering Elon wouldnt be able to refuse would be if Anthropic agreed to give them some training data / technology.

    • petercooper 27 minutes ago
      I don't know if it relates to the same data centers, but this also comes hours after several still recent Grok models were deprecated at short notice. Grok 4.1 Fast is the cheapest way to do research on X (cheaper than the X API!) and it's gone on May 15: https://docs.x.ai/developers/models - freeing up compute to sell?
    • JustSkyfall 52 minutes ago
      Probably a good idea in all honesty. xAI is a deeply unserious lab
      • throwa356262 2 minutes ago
        From a technical standpoint xAI is basically Gemini team B who were give A+ salaries to join the company.

        But even then, I suspect their hands were tied in some areas because Elon had some expectations from his AI.

      • cyanydeez 51 minutes ago
        There's only so much determinism you can create when you try not to filter (read CENSOR) your LLM.
  • gpugreg 24 minutes ago
    > As part of this agreement, we have also expressed interest in partnering with SpaceX to develop multiple gigawatts of orbital AI compute capacity.

    Anthropic is either taking this space business more serious than the general public, or posting this sentence was part of the deal to get the compute.

    • JMKH42 13 minutes ago
      I don't think space compute is going to work out, but I would certainly say "yes happy to buy space compute from you in the future if you offer it at a good price"

      If it happens it happens, if not, it doesn't.

  • skeledrew 18 minutes ago
    Oh. Just as I'm in the process of migrating to Pi+Qwen (local). This was probably going to be my last month on the Pro sub as I'm seriously fed up with the limits and degradation that started weeks after I signed up. Let's see how this shakes out.
  • cbg0 46 minutes ago
    They're doubling the five hour limits, but no mention about the weekly limit. So overall it's the same maximum usage, right?
    • adriand 18 minutes ago
      I think so, but that's also really great because I frequently run into the five hour caps, but very rarely use my entire weekly allotment. There are lots of situations where I do things like write the plan for all the work that has to get done, and then set a reminder to execute the plan after I get home, when I'm done making dinner (because e.g. my five hour cap ends at 6pm). Higher caps for the five hour period is a lot more convenient.
    • joncik91 25 minutes ago
      Some get the reset, some don't it seems :(
  • lairv 5 minutes ago
    For a space that supposedly had "no moat", the number of players still competing for frontier models seems to be shrinking pretty fast
  • antipaul 14 minutes ago
    "All of [SpaceX]'s compute capacity at Colossus 1"

    SpaceX/xAI also has Colossus 2, with double or more the GPUs

    Seems xAI will still be around

  • int32_64 14 minutes ago
    What's the current status of the 'biggest computer wins' vs. specialized proprietary research/data in the AI arms race? People had such high hopes for xAI because of the monster machine Elon built. Or has xAI just turned over too much staff too quickly?
  • boramalper 23 minutes ago
    I wonder if it's just Elon realising that xAI can't beat OpenAI and thus deciding to give all his compute capacity to Anthropic instead.

    Certainly an interesting day for xAI.

    • bpodgursky 20 minutes ago
      Building datacenters plays to his strengths. It's a good partnership if he can stomach it.
      • consumer451 17 minutes ago
        I would think that stomaching Musk would be that hard part. Just goes to show how compute-constrained Anthropic is at this time.

        He literally did a Nazi salute on stage, twice! Check the video, and tell me what you see.

  • y42 23 minutes ago
    I want to believe. A couple of weeks ago I fell into this "trap", they offered a similar thing. I subscribed to the Pro Plan. Had fun for a couple of weeks and then I entered frustration phase. I love the product, but I hate those up and downs. My rant made it to HN front page - which I am not happy of. I want the stuff I build to be seen on the front page.
  • tanh 29 minutes ago
    Wouldn't trust them not to take a copy and use it to distill. Wonder what security there is
  • minimaxir 46 minutes ago
    > First, we’re doubling Claude Code’s five-hour rate limits for Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans.

    The fine-print-omission appears to be that weekly limits are not doubled. The progressive 5-hour rate limit shrinking was indeed an efficiency blocker that finally convinced me to cancel, but being only able to get 4 full sessions a week as opposed to 8 doesn't compell me to resubscribe.

  • nethunters 19 minutes ago
    Hopefully this filters through to Copilot's recent rate-limits
  • Philpax 50 minutes ago
    • quinncom 28 minutes ago
      One of the reasons I refuse to use xAI’s models is because of the outsized negative environmental impacts of the methane gas turbines.

      Now I have to avoid Claude too.

    • thrownthatway 29 minutes ago
      Why?
      • chainwax 23 minutes ago
        I think he's referring to the fact that Colossus is powered by fossil fuels.
        • kfrzcode 2 minutes ago
          [delayed]
        • thrownthatway 9 minutes ago
          What’s wrong with burning fossil fuels for electricity?
        • xienze 20 minutes ago
          And now they're partnering with Elon the Nazi! Must be quite the moral crisis for all the people who flocked to Anthropic because Dario told Orange Man "no" that one time.

          Edit: to the person who responded, I've been hit with the HN passive-aggressive "you're posting too fast" error. But as to your question:

          I don't personally care about all the controversy surrounding Musk. But you must be living under a rock if you aren't aware that the left considers Musk right up there with Hitler these days. Primarily for aligning himself with Trump, but there's also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy

          • thrownthatway 10 minutes ago
            What makes you think Elon is a Nazi.

            Provide specific examples.

  • amacbride 36 minutes ago
    As a bonus, it looks like they reset limits a few minutes ago -- I went from 53% of my weekly allotment to 0%.
  • athrow 42 minutes ago
    Anthropic taketh and Anthropic giveth.
  • Marciplan 11 minutes ago
    If Anthropic and SpaceX and OpenAI are all going public this year then this is a clever move to stick it to OpenAI. However, I'm kinda sus of my Claude subscription now
  • iamleppert 39 minutes ago
    Hopefully they will work on response time. I've been noticing it taking 5+ minutes for each turn, for not complicated requests. Seems to vary based on time of day too.
  • stavros 40 minutes ago
    > First, we’re doubling Claude Code’s five-hour rate limits for Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans.

    Ok I guess, this was a bit of a hassle, but you're not increasing my weekly allowance, you're just not annoying me as often.

    > Second, we’re removing the peak hours limit reduction on Claude Code for Pro and Max accounts.

    It wasn't a limit reduction (as in, I didn't have a lower 5-hour limit), it was "tokens are more expensive" and it ate my weekly limits faster. This should never have been instituted to begin with.

    > Third, we’re raising our API rate limits considerably for Claude Opus models, as shown in the table below:

    Meh.

    This is why I don't care for all the "it's a subscription, you're free to not use it!" arguments here. It's not an all-you-can-eat subscription with some generous fair use limits, it's a "X tokens per month for $Y", and they keep lowering the X unilaterally and in secret.

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  • SilverElfin 43 minutes ago
    > As part of this agreement, we have also expressed interest in partnering with SpaceX to develop multiple gigawatts of orbital AI compute capacity.

    Disgusting. For an allegedly not evil company, they’re very willing to pollute our night skies as well as partner up with a CEO who has been fanning the flames of extremism (particularly the emboldened racists / supremacists of the far right).

    • treme 12 minutes ago
      CEO that accelerated eletric car industry by 10 years

      CEO that accelerated space industry by 10+ years

      CEO that accelerated HCI industry by 10 years

      • SilverElfin 0 minutes ago
        I’m sure that’ll comfort all the minorities affected by the rampant amplification of extremists on Twitter. I don’t disagree those are big achievements but also they’re irrelevant to those who feel the impact of Musk’s own extremism, and their lives would be unchanged if none of the Musk companies existed. If you’re unaffected by racism then it’s going to feel easy to only look at the positives of Musk.
      • etchalon 10 minutes ago
        A person can do good and bad things.
      • nobankai 9 minutes ago
        [dead]
    • noworriesnate 13 minutes ago
      I doubt it'll ever happen because heat dissipation will be a big problem, but this is likely in response to the proliferation of data centers. I would rather have data centers in space than convert countryside to concrete and metal jungles.
    • woah 27 minutes ago
      Once they send the cooling water up into orbit, it's gone for good
    • richwater 32 minutes ago
      > pollute our night skies

      This is not a serious argument.

      • josefresco 24 minutes ago
        It is very much a valid argument. SpaceX has been working on this issue for years.

        https://theconversation.com/a-million-new-spacex-satellites-...

        FTA: "SpaceX has done a lot of engineering work to make its Starlink satellites fainter. They are still too bright for research astronomy, but thanks to new coatings, their brightness has not increased dramatically even as SpaceX has launched larger and larger satellites."

      • SilverElfin 3 minutes ago
        Of course it’s a serious argument. Anyone using telescopes or doing Astro photography now sees Starlink satellites leaving trails all over the place. And that’s with a small number compared to the 1 million satellites they are proposing. It’s a public resource that a private company is stealing from all of us.
    • bigyabai 37 minutes ago
      "HN pretends that companies have morals: Part 48,037,986"
      • slopinthebag 20 minutes ago
        Counterpoint: Valve

        Which is kind of like the exception that proves the rule hahaha

        • minimaxir 14 minutes ago
          You haven't been following the discourse around a) how Steam handles GenAI disclosures and b) how Steam handles forum/review moderation.

          People haven't been saying "GabeN can do no wrong" for awhile.

          • slopinthebag 3 minutes ago
            I was motivated to post this because I was just reading a thread where many users were praising Valve and GabeN for how their company is run, but I'm curious to read more about A & B.
        • bigyabai 19 minutes ago
          Valve isn't moral, they're just privately owned. CS cases have given them enough fuck-you money to rehabilitate their image in any way they see fit.
    • morpheos137 20 minutes ago
      orbital data center == scam company. if you don't understand physics or economics why should i trust you in simpler things. if you do understand are are lying why should i trust you. anthropic and their holier than though SV brand is cooked.
  • hparadiz 34 minutes ago
    Give them whatever they need. Time to go to the moon.