14 comments

  • jml7c5 9 hours ago
    This analysis would be more convincing if other major tech companies hadn't fallen a similar amount today. It's a broad tech selloff.

    Also, what's with this site? It only has a single article.

    EDIT: Judging from the URL/title, it's some (AI-generated?) thing that reuses the title from https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1xow42o/tesla_a...

    • j16sdiz 8 hours ago
      Similar amount?

      GOOG -2% in 5 days

      META -4% in 5 day

      INTC -6% in 5 day

      NVDA -9% in 5 day

      TLSA -10% in 5 days

      • zamadatix 8 hours ago
        AMD -17% in 1 day

        ASML -9% in 1 day

        AVGO -10% in 1 day

        MU -17% in 1 day

        NVDA -9% in 1 day

        SKHY -13% in 1 day

        TSMC -10% in 1 day

        As much as I think TSLA/SPCX are overvalued there is nothing unique about their drop compared to many other companies in the last day or two. I wouldn't even hazard a guess on whether the floor has fallen out on anything yet, it could just as well be a temporary reaction to the election results and volatility following the uncertainty of that for these types of companies.

        Of course one can always pick a set of tickers and day ranges that make it seem like any trend if you filter the view enough.

      • jml7c5 8 hours ago
        I think you mixed up 1 day and 5 day on a few of those. I think these are correct (they're just the Google search tickers):

          GOOG  -2% (1 day)  +1% (5 day)
          META  -4% (1 day)  -2% (5 day)
          INTC -10% (1 day) -24% (5 day)
          NVDA  -9% (1 day) -13% (5 day)
          TSLA -11% (1 day) -13% (5 day)
          SPCX  -9% (1 day) -10% (5 day)
  • thelastgallon 8 hours ago
    Tsla has a PE of 380 with YoY degrowth over multiple years and no prospects of growth.
    • gumby 7 hours ago
      Last year Tesla sold 1MM cars in us+China and another 150K in Europe. In the same period BYD sold about 3 million EVs.

      Last MONTH (October) BYD sold 500K EVs. The US is propping up Tesla by keeping BYD out. I’ve driven several and they are great cars, much nicer than the aging Tesla line.

      • apexalpha 5 hours ago
        The US has had protectionist measures for its car market since forever.

        That's why the US car market is so 'unique' and American brands struggle in foreign markets.

        • gumby 4 hours ago
          Japanese cars came in in the 70s and almost killed the US market. The Big Five became the Big Three (GM, Ford, Chrysler) and learned how to make cars again.

          They then squandered that and are back where they were in the 70s, or worse.

      • rsynnott 1 hour ago
        > Last year Tesla sold 1MM cars in us+China and another 150K in Europe.

        ... Wait, really, it was that low?! VW AG sold about a million BEVs last year; at this point Tesla may actually be in third place (or even fourth, depending on what Geely's up to these days).

      • dzhiurgis 5 hours ago
        > BYD sold about 3 million EVs.

        Why is their stock price flat tho?

        • gumby 4 hours ago
          Lots of competition from other good car companies. I just used BYD because they are the biggest single EV company; they aren't a majority of EV production though.
    • sejje 8 hours ago
      What do you think about cybercab & the incoming ability for private owners to participate?
      • glenpierce 8 hours ago
        We already have uber and Lyft and taxis and our own cars and some other self driving things and bikes… and isn’t Apple supposedly coming out with a car sometime? This isn’t special and a lot of city dwellers aren’t interested in supporting musk anymore.
        • canucker2016 8 hours ago
          I thought Apple canceled their car project - see https://carcody.com/apple-car-what-happened-to-project-titan...
        • Dig1t 8 hours ago
          If you book a cybercab the price is significantly cheaper than an Uber or Lyft. You can book one to get across Austin for literally half the price of the competition.

          I took screenshots of the prices I have paid because I was so happy with only having to pay $7 to get across my city.

          Apple killed their car program years ago. I know because I work there.

          >aren’t interested in supporting musk anymore.

          That may be your personal political take, but there is no evidence that politics are slowing their growth in a meaningful way. There is still strong interest in Tesla products, products like Starlink are growing at an incredible rate, Starship launches command huge livestream viewership, there's an entire industry of Youtubers which break down and discuss the engineering and logistics of SpaceX rockets.

          • 1659447091 7 hours ago
            > but there is no evidence that politics are slowing their growth in a meaningful way.

            Musk got a lot of favors and basically his way with the out going power holders, its why he spent so much so the party wouldn't end.

            One I was just reading about (while looking for Hinojosa's first plans, cleaning up the education department); was there was a quiet deal being worked on for spaceX to buy a beachfront state park [0] and that she remarked about Texas no longer being for sale.

            I wouldnt be surprised if all the investigations into his companies deals happen. The attorney general got ousted for a democrat too who already said there will be a massive overhaul to how the office is used -- no more being maga's private law firm. Lets hope Musk and his companies did everything above board when working the massively corrupt outgoing gang.

            [0] https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/boca-chica-spacex...

          • thelastgallon 7 hours ago
            > There is still strong interest in Tesla products, products like Starlink

            Starlink is a Tesla product? Both SpaceX and Tesla are counting it as their sale, wow!

      • Dig1t 8 hours ago
        I have ridden in a cybercab several times and they are omnipresent in my city. They work extremely well and are scaling quickly. "No prospects for growth" is a pretty wild take given the obvious new things they are building.
      • UltraSane 8 hours ago
        Just hype and lies from Musk. He has been lying about self-driving cars for 10 years now.
        • Dig1t 8 hours ago
          How is it a lie? You can literally book a self driving Tesla anywhere in the Bay Area or Austin. I see them driving around Austin every day.
          • UltraSane 8 hours ago
            The hype and lies are about how profitable robotaxis will be and the claim that private people will be able to participate.
            • Dig1t 7 hours ago
              Regardless of whether private people participate, the actual robotaxi network they are running is real and growing quickly. Are you saying that self driving taxis are not going to be popular? Or is it just that the private citizen program will not materialize?

              Regardless of whether private Tesla owners end up participating in the robotaxi market it does seem obvious that self driving taxis are going to be huge. Waymo and Cybercabs are growing quickly and will almost certainly completely dominate the market. Why would you ride in a Uber with a stinky driver (and pay more) when you could ride in a self driving taxi without a driver for cheaper?

              • archagon 4 hours ago
                Why would I ride in a Musk Nazimobile when I can just take a Waymo?
      • jrflowers 8 hours ago
        It is almost as exciting as the transmutation of base metals into gold, the panacea, and the elixir of longevity — all of which I’m told are just around the corner at Musk’s companies
        • sejje 7 hours ago
          Have you heard of starship or the model y?

          Those are at Musk's companies already.

          • jrflowers 5 hours ago
            > Have you heard of starship or the model y?

            no

      • 10111001 8 hours ago
        > What do you think about cybercab & the incoming ability for private owners to participate?

        I think Elon Musk says a lot of things.

    • noduerme 8 hours ago
      so you're saying it's the best meme stock ever?
  • tehologist 8 hours ago
    Still wildly over valued, only time even remotely profitable is with government subsidies.
  • ipsum2 8 hours ago
    What is this random website that has a single AI generated article
  • ungreased0675 8 hours ago
    Lawfare is coming, everyone knows it.
    • UltraSane 8 hours ago
      If you mean enforcement of laws then yes.
  • BenFranklin100 9 hours ago
    Tis’ a tragedy Musk can’t stay focused on building great companies instead of shooting his mouth off about politics.
    • rayiner 8 hours ago
      Is this advocating for a return to the pre-2020 status quo for corporate behavior?
      • BenFranklin100 8 hours ago
        Haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.
        • rayiner 8 hours ago
          I assume you're pining for the early 2000s when companies steered clear of talking about political issues.
          • darkwi11ow 8 hours ago
            I live in Europe and here companies stay silent about political issues.
          • happytoexplain 8 hours ago
            Musk is easily the most overtly political/shitposty business leader. Second place is so far behind it's not even clear who that would be.

            I'm not speaking for the parent, but clearly it's easy to lament Musk's overtness without implying that everybody is doing it to a similar degree.

            • timschmidt 6 hours ago
              There's plenty of business leaders who are just as overtly political. Few of them make the evening news. Probably because few of them are building the largest rocket, charger network, space constellation, global internet provider, etc. in the world.
      • noduerme 8 hours ago
        Well, the proof is in the eating so we'll find out whether bluster is more valuable than performance.
    • archagon 4 hours ago
      I'd say the bigger tragedy is the recklessness with which he acted to dismantle the federal government, illegally exfiltrate vast amounts of private data, and cause hundreds of thousands of people in the third world to die from starvation or lack of medicine.

      This imbecile should have stayed out of politics. There is no coming back from what he did.

  • for_i_in_range 8 hours ago
    Never bet against Elon.
    • noduerme 8 hours ago
      "I never bet against (Kirby? Ohtani?)" is a common phrase in baseball betting; usually a minor input that I should think about going the other way.
    • pacomerh 8 hours ago
      I lost all respect for him given his idiotic involvement with the government. And other obvious things.
  • vayup 9 hours ago
    $420B can't be coincidence. Musk engineered the fall perfectly.
    • bch 9 hours ago
      Alternative target was$800Bs
      • hedora 8 hours ago
        There’s always tomorrow.
    • contingencies 8 hours ago
      Space lasers :) Pass the spliff.
  • keeda 4 hours ago
    Don't forget though: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/11/tesla-reaches-record-boosted...

    > Tesla shares close at record high, boosted by 69% pop since Trump election victory

    SPCX was not public back then, but I suspect it would have followed similar trends. In any case, Elon's still come out ahead. For now.

  • ericd 8 hours ago
    Nvidia lost more than that by itself…
  • etchalon 8 hours ago
    Are we really shocked when their entire IPO was predicated on AI the companies primary future revenue and American voters just told the market they're not gonna make that easy?
  • dmitrygr 9 hours ago
    so did everyone else. so?
    • bagacrap 9 hours ago
      Not I
    • Eji1700 9 hours ago
      Eh while you’re not wrong everyone else doesn’t have crazy P/E ratios and a personality cult as part of its price.

      Will be interesting to see how Musk and his companies weather this storm

  • aerodog 8 hours ago
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