GPT 6.1 Sol

(openai.com)

287 points | by crorella 51 minutes ago

55 comments

  • Aboutplants 24 minutes ago
    “OpenAI's new Pro 500 plan offers OpenAI's highest usage allowance and comes with access to its new "Ultrafast" feature — it also costs $500 per month.

    At the same time, OpenAI is also making its existing $200 Pro plan less appealing. In Codex and Work, $200 Pro subscribers will see their included usage decrease from 20x of what the company offers to Plus users, down to 10x of that same allowance. In ChatGPT, meanwhile, GPT-6 Pro message caps will decrease from 200 to 100 per week.”

    https://www.engadget.com/2272106/openai-adds-dollar500-pro-s...

    Yikes

    • TomGarden 10 minutes ago
      They're really (finally?) starting to behave like a company bleeding money.

      Our VC-backed subscription days are numbered

    • moregrist 10 minutes ago
      This is pretty typical product positioning. You want to sell to both high-end and low-end users, so you offer products at a few price points. Then it turns out that that middle is a much better fit for most users. So you start making the middle a worse fit to push most of those users into the higher tiers.

      Long term, this only works if you have a non-commodity, and if the higher tier is actually more profitable. We'll eventually learn whether both are true. For OpenAI right now, it's probably enough to just increase revenue, even if the higher tier is even less profitable.

    • honkycat 9 minutes ago
      Wow, canceling my sub. Lets see how Claude is doing these days.

      I can justify $200/mo but more than double is not appealing to me.

      • WinstonSmith84 4 minutes ago
        Well, here is a breaking-news for you: the 20x from Claude is not a 20x on the weekly usage, it's a 20x on the 5h usage, while the weekly usage is simply double the $100 plan...

        Basically OpenAI aligned with Anthropic on the weekly usage with the caveat that OpenAI doesn't have a 5h limit.

    • surgical_fire 10 minutes ago
      OpenAI is deeply unprofitable, particularly on those pro plans.

      The only way is for prices to go up. Way up.

  • minimaxir 42 minutes ago
    > Cached input costs just $0.10 per million tokens—95% less than standard input pricing and 50% less than GPT‑6 Sol’s cached input pricing

    This is the actual big announcement. 50% cheaper cache than GPT-6 Sol will get you far more mileage on Codex.

    • sscaryterry 6 minutes ago
      Do you really believe this? They keep on telling us how efficient its getting, but most people, get hardly a days usage out of a 20x account.

      Clearly an OpenAI employee.

      • JimDabell 1 minute ago
        > most people, get hardly a days usage out of a 20x account

        This is not even remotely true.

    • TuxSH 36 minutes ago
      Exactly half as expensive as Opus 5.5 in every API pricing metric
      • bigwheels 27 minutes ago
        And half as good. I didn't have great experiences with Anthropic models in the past, but Opus 5.5 seems to have turned a major corner. It is churning through tasks significantly more quickly and efficiently.

        Suggest trying it out yourself: Ask for something difficult from GPT-6 Sol and Opus 5.5 and watch what each one does. The difference is stark.

        Edit: Defining "difficult" as a complex coding or systems task (or even series of them in a single prompt).

        • dotancohen 5 minutes ago

            > Ask for something difficult from GPT-6 Sol and Opus 5.5 and watch what each one does.
          
          That's far too vague. I found Opus to be terrific at coding, but human text just seems so robotic with it. OpenAI models used to be the prototype for robotic text, but lately I've been finding them much more natural. What is "something difficult" in your workflow?
        • mmis1000 18 minutes ago
          For my personal experience, antropic model have better user experience except for 4.7 and 4.8 though. 4.7 and 4.8 feels like expensive downgrade of 4.6 to me (I didn't know why these two should even exist)

          However it's less willing to obey your instruction so it's less usable for general runtine flows.

        • Infinity315 25 minutes ago
          I'm not an OpenAI simp, but how anyone can have any opinion on the performance of these models in less than a day - let alone a few hours - is beyond me.
          • rspeele 2 minutes ago
            While I have no experience comparing this brand-new model, OpenAI themselves call it "near-Astra" intelligence. I set Astra and Opus 5.5 independently working on the same large research/coding task in an experimental project (doing NURBS surface modeling stuff). They had the same starting repo state, same task packet, same test suite to try to meet. I have the $100 plan in both.

            Astra used 215% of a week's budget (I burned 2 free resets) and took 13 hours. Opus used 20% of a week's budget and took 20 hours.

            The timing comparison is not that interesting because the wall-clock speed mostly reflects how often they ran the (large, slow) test suite, not their coding speed. Although in the past my gut feeling is that OpenAI models do generally respond faster.

            The quality of their implementation was more interesting. There turned out to be a bug in one of the unit tests the agents were trying to pass. Opus interpreted the natural-language requirements from the task packet, found the test bug, and fixed it. Astra tried hard to solve the problem without altering the test suite. In practical terms Opus got much, much farther into a useful implementation. Astra was still stubbing out and faking critical parts of the implementation (B-splines) and since it ultimately couldn't pass the full test suite, finally gave up on its implementation. Astra wrote some useful tooling in the process of its efforts which I ended up integrating into Opus's version of the code, but otherwise its approach was behind.

            Now, this is just one comparison in one domain, and arguably Astra's strict adherence to the tests as-given is a good thing. But Opus wasn't merely loosening the rules / moving the goalposts to pass, it spotted an actual bug, and was more successful at doing what I actually wanted. And the cost difference was Astra-nomical.

            Out of curiosity for an interpretation free from my personal bias, I also fired up fresh agents to review the two repos. Predictably, an Opus agent thought the Opus-written repo was the better basis to build on, and an Astra agent thought the Astra-written repo was the one to keep. They were not explicitly told which was which nor did the commit trailers say, but I assume they can tell. However, after doing this twice each, I saved the 4 review reports into another folder and did yet another meta-review of the 4 reports, so each would see the arguments and critiques both directions. In this meta-review both Astra and Opus converged on preferring the Opus implementation.

          • toasty228 23 minutes ago
            Try it, it's that good compared to openai current offering.

            I get better results and usage our of my $20 claude sub than my $100 openai sub... it's that ridiculous

            • copperx 16 minutes ago
              The usage allowances are now insane, like they were when the Max plans were introduced. The $100 plan is usable again for real tasks.
          • colinhb 11 minutes ago
            Yeah totally agree, people keep jumping in w/ strong views hours after release, eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49045430
          • AndrewKemendo 22 minutes ago
            Only takes 5-10 minutes to test your favorite one shot comparison prompt.
            • edgyquant 8 minutes ago
              Can you give an example? For me I find that one shot prompts are pretty good it’s only when working with large codebases and complex, multi prompt workflows, that I find the real limitations of models
            • squidbeak 12 minutes ago
              If 5-10 minutes is enough, you need a more ambitious one-shot goal.
        • jauntywundrkind 15 minutes ago
          A pity I have to use claude code to try this, that I can't use the tools I know and love and have built around (opencode).

          (I did use some CC for Fable when it came out, and it was... ok. Not the worst thing ever.)

    • verdverm 14 minutes ago
      cache is typically 10%, is this OAI setting a new level at half, 5%?
    • joshstrange 18 minutes ago
      > 50% cheaper cache than GPT-6 Sol will get you far more mileage on Codex.

      Cache doesn't help you much when you are compacting every 5 minutes...

      I was shocked at how quickly I ran out my $100/mo subscription with a single agent (sol medium).

  • the_duke 28 minutes ago
    The GPT 6 release was ... horrible.

    Sol 6 was so bad that I switched over to Opus 5.5 exclusively.

    Huge regression compared to Sol 5.6, often doing really dumb things. Same for Luna.

    Even Astra is very unreliable for coding. Sometimes it is great, but it also often does very stupid things.

    I'm a bit sour on OpenAI right now and skeptical that 6.1 will be much different.

    (Note: this is after preferring and shilling Codex/OpenAI models for the last half year)

    • nxc18 23 minutes ago
      How does this jive with the exponential growth claims? Theoretically sol models are better than the 4 series models I was using at the beginning of the year, but in practice the results don’t seem to be much better. They always nerf the models over the course of the release so it _looks_ like the next version is better but I haven’t seen actual capability growth since ~January, and I’m pretty sure that was all tooling/harness improvements.
    • jstummbillig 18 minutes ago
      Eh. What? Is this common sentiment?

      I mean Opus 5.5 is absolutely fantastic, unreasonably and unexpectedly so, but Astra was great and as far as I can tell SOTA until, when was it, 3 days ago, no?

      (Sol 6 idk, have not used it much for coding really. Seemed to work just fine when Astra used it in Codex as subagents)

      • copperx 7 minutes ago
        Opus 5.5 is so good that I don't want it to be replaced anytime soon. Stop training models, Anthropic, and just serve this thing without regressions for a year or three, can you?
      • nicce 7 minutes ago
        When GPT 6 Sol & Luna were released, everything went down. I have been running Sol at max thinking and it is about the same as old Luna with max thinking, give or take. Sometimes feeling even dumber. I can't trust it to do anything big alone anymore without babysitting.
      • the_duke 11 minutes ago
        On r/codex the sentiment seems to be quite wide-spread.
  • gradus_ad 47 minutes ago
    Ominous for the industry and investors that token price is becoming the main battleground. Could be Anthropic's rationale for IPOing this year.
    • mixdup 33 minutes ago
      Another piece of evidence on the pile that the sudden panic and desire to "slow down" is because they're hitting the plateau on capability

      Which, honestly, is fine. A lot of juice to squeeze in efficiency and even if models got zero more capable, making the capability that is already here cheaper is a huge win for everyone (except Nvidia)

      • CuriouslyC 20 minutes ago
        It's not so much that they're hitting a plateau in capability, as we're saturating long horizon benchmarks and it's not greatly improving general usability. On the other hand, newer models have been amazing for people interested in 3d, graphics, video editing, etc. The difference between Opus 5.5/Astra and earlier models is night and day even if for many coding tasks they're not a revolution.
      • LPisGood 27 minutes ago
        Nvidia can start putting weights in silicon if model development slows down.
      • theturtletalks 26 minutes ago
        I think they are hitting compute restrictions. And buying compute right now can be 3-4X. And the costs are increasing. If they train a larger model and demand is high, that’s a lot of compute for Codex subscriptions, which is a loss leader for them. Especially Pro 20X which they just nerfed to 10X.
      • serf 27 minutes ago
        >Another piece of evidence on the pile that the sudden panic and desire to "slow down" is because they're hitting the plateau on capability

        if true then LLM related AI (post-post AI winter AI?) is probably one of the fastest inception-to-plateau tech sectors to have ever existed.

        We're still improving transistors on a somewhat routine basis.

        • mixdup 25 minutes ago
          The plateau doesn't have to be perfectly flat, but it's not a straight line upward anymore either (kind of like our work on transistors, where we've kind of hit the bounds of speed in clock cycles but are improving on miniaturization and power efficiency)
          • password54321 18 minutes ago
            It took 6 years to solve ARC-AGI 1, 1 year to solve ARC-AGI 2 and 6 months to solve ARC-AGI 3.
            • delillos 3 minutes ago
              Those version numbers don't necessarily correspond to equal increases in "difficulty", though.
      • azan_ 7 minutes ago
        > Another piece of evidence on the pile that the sudden panic and desire to "slow down" is because they're hitting the plateau on capability

        People were talking about plateau for years already.

      • colechristensen 22 minutes ago
        >Another piece of evidence on the pile that the sudden panic and desire to "slow down" is because they're hitting the plateau on capability

        I think it's more a token-cost-demand plateau. They've reached the scale and investor trillions to which they can't 10x the hardware cost of inference any more. They can't afford to compete by eating costs and there isn't appetite for more expensive inference.

        So in order that they don't bankrupt each other they're looking for the legal cartel behavior coordinating a stop to growth by convincing governments to regulate them into stopping.

        There's a lot of juice to squeeze in efficiency but only so much whereas it seemed like capability was going to continue to scale with parameter count.

        Maybe it's good news for everyone that model capability is now going to scale on semiconductor cost meaning huge players are going to be very motivated to make semiconductors cheap.

      • xienze 19 minutes ago
        > sudden panic and desire to "slow down" is because they're hitting the plateau on capability

        I don't think that's the motivation, it's because both companies want to IPO and the _only_ way to even hope to be profitable is to do a whole lot less training, which costs a fortune. But unless Chinese labs go along with this gentleman's agreement (they won't), slowing down on training will bring about the inevitable Chinese model parity date more rapidly. At which point the game is well and truly over for OpenAI and Anthropic. Bit of a pickle they've gotten themselves into with the emphasis on being best, with premium prices to match.

        • redanddead 10 minutes ago
          The game is already over
      • semiquaver 29 minutes ago
        What universe do you live in that you can look at the past six months and see anything like a plateau in capability?

        Edit: removed a comment that was uncharitable and rude, for which I apologize.

        • mixdup 27 minutes ago
          Not that they've hit it but that they are approaching it. The time to panic and steer the narrative is before you hit the iceberg, not after
        • arctic-true 15 minutes ago
          Most of the impressive accomplishments we’ve seen in the last few months have been the result of huge agent swarms working together and brute-forcing solutions, not massive leaps in intelligence from standalone models. That is still an improvement in the usefulness and power of the technology, but it is NOT evidence that model intelligence is increasing faster than before.
          • famouswaffles 7 minutes ago
            I don't have any access to any agent swarms (and neither do most) and i still think the models have obviously improved massively in standalone intelligence. Of course they have, agent swarms are not magic. You can swarm all you want around GPT-4 era models and you'll get nowhere. And i've never seen the term 'brute-force' more abused than these LLM discussions. Basically none of the results have been brute force.
          • CamperBob2 2 minutes ago
            "This machine-intelligence stuff is overrated, they are just using <insert particular machine-intelligence technique here>" isn't the resounding verdict it may have sounded like when you typed it.
        • phoghed 25 minutes ago
          People have been saying this since GPT-4.
        • ActionHank 27 minutes ago
          Have we honestly seen that great a leap in the last 6 months, or just better application of what we had 6 months before that.

          We are seeing multiple frontier models dropping on the same day and no one bats an eye, because it's more of the same.

          • CuriouslyC 16 minutes ago
            The difference between 6 months ago frontier and now frontier in 3d modelling, graphics and video editing is night and day.
    • djfjkfkffkkf 37 minutes ago
      China will do to llms what they did to german cars
      • bogrollben 11 minutes ago
        I guess I'm out of touch. What did china do to german cars?
        • Razengan 2 minutes ago
          What they'll do to LLMs. Keep up
        • CamperBob2 1 minute ago
          Outcompeted them badly. Sent Porsche packing and BMW bawling.
      • ok123456 10 minutes ago
        We can only hope.
      • Razengan 32 minutes ago
        Why make a new account just to post this comment?

        It's not even anything controversial..

        • simlevesque 29 minutes ago
          They may work for one of the big AI labs.
    • nojito 45 minutes ago
      Great for the consumer.

      I remember when bandwidth was super expensive and now it’s dirt cheap.

    • jorblumesea 29 minutes ago
      This is literally the plan, open weight models are something like 60% of token spend, and it will get worse. many companies now have model gateways where you can slot in cheaper models via cli for cheaper. we've been using glm 5.x and it's pretty close to SOTA frontier models.

      it's also why there have been so many calls for regulation and slowdowns.

    • jimbob45 17 minutes ago
      Pretty standard business to identify and compete on every axis (cost, speed, intelligence, etc). Often, nobody will be able to maximize every axis so you end up with a polyhedron derived from the axes where there’s a niche for everyone.

      DeepSeek understands that. Grok understands it. Every other AI company thinks they need to be the best at everything all the time and it’s weird.

  • phpnode 46 minutes ago
    What's driving the increase in release cadence here? We seem to get new models every week or so now, is this RSI?
    • Aboutplants 35 minutes ago
      I do wonder if people switch back and forth between primary models (GPTvsClaude) that it may be a better idea to simply keep releasing updates as soon as possible in order to keep users from bouncing back and forth.
      • sockaddr 25 minutes ago
        This is it.

        It's because they need subscription money and interaction data and so keeping a version bump in the wings to stop the bleeding from your competitor's version bump is the logical thing to do. It has nothing to do with RSI.

      • scrollop 28 minutes ago
        Probably one of the factors. Signed up to openai pro a few days ago, deciding between openai and anthropic, then sonnet 5.5 was released and am wondering whether I made a mistake.

        Luckily it's not a mistake as now we have access to . . . dots.

        (and sol 6.1, it seems)

      • geeky4qwerty 8 minutes ago
        jokes on me, I pay for all the subscriptions.
    • sharpshadow 41 minutes ago
      Response to DeepSeek’s technical paper and competition.
      • LPisGood 25 minutes ago
        Which paper are you referring to?
      • wg0 38 minutes ago
        What's that in summary?
    • mckirk 41 minutes ago
      No, we're pacing ourselves to have the time to evaluate the impact each new model could have, obviously.
    • toasty228 20 minutes ago
      Opus 5.5 is better than they anticipated, it's faster, smarter, cheaper. I'm about to change provider for claude and I'm not the only one
    • denysvitali 15 minutes ago
      They're pacing the frontier
      • blmarket 5 minutes ago
        and seems like they're claiming Sol/Opus are not frontier (and only Astra/Fable are)
    • orbital-decay 30 minutes ago
      Versions is marketing, snapshots/minor variations are easy and the number must go up. Release timing is another OAI's marketing tactic.

      >RSI

      Recursive improvement doesn't imply increased rate, another word for it is "iterative" but this probably sounds too boring for some.

    • jchw 28 minutes ago
      It is the only way to reduce prices while making it look like a good thing.
    • mynameisjonny_ 32 minutes ago
      The initial response to 6 Sol was bad, and Opus 5.5 was definitely winning the public vibes war. Makes sense to rush something out
    • lxgr 41 minutes ago
      Wanting to have the newer model than the competitor, presumably.
      • dandellion 31 minutes ago
        The old "the bigger number is better", GPT announces model 6.1, the obvious thing to do next is to announce Gemini 27, and after that Claudé 3000, then a flute album.
    • motoboi 32 minutes ago
      New models are distill from the actual unrelease frontier models. They are just giving us better checkpoints.
    • jonatron 39 minutes ago
      Probably just the singularity, no big deal
    • jesse_dot_id 45 minutes ago
      No.
    • SwabbyNat74 39 minutes ago
      Its a news cycle more than anything, and its ONLY going to get much, much worse. Daily releases, or multiple daily, 30-45, by EOY. Welcome to RSI!
    • agluszak 30 minutes ago
      They're releasing Sol 6.1 because 1. Astra 6.1 got postponed 2. Sol 6 is shitty 3. They have to release _something_ in response to Opus 5.5
    • tjwebbnorfolk 37 minutes ago
      Competition
    • esafak 20 minutes ago
      Productivity is increasing as the models get smarter; we are ascending the singularity. I'm serious.
    • mattnewton 34 minutes ago
      Anthropic’s IPO?
    • colpabar 37 minutes ago
      What I don't understand is how much people have to say about every single one. Aren't we at the diminishing returns stage yet? Is there really that much to discuss?
      • infamouscow 25 minutes ago
        If you look closely at various benchmarks, you'll see that often models will improve in certain areas while regressing in others. It suggests we're already at the point of diminishing returns.
    • system2 39 minutes ago
      Chinese model pressure. Many of my SWE friends switched to Chinese models. I also use QWEN and GLM for many of the api requiring projects and dropped OpenAI and Anthropic. The only reason was the cost.
      • wg0 24 minutes ago
        I can't recommend Chinese models enough. My personal favorite is DeepSeek v4.1 Flash but I have tried Qwen 3.8, Kimi 3 and GLM 5.3 which are equally impressive but DeepSeek is the cheapest and fastest regularly hitting 270 token per second.

        And yeah I have worked with Anthropic and OpenAI models, they're good but they cost a fortune while Chinese models are already really good at a fraction of the cost.

    • franzcoughka 34 minutes ago
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  • TomGarden 21 minutes ago
    Impressive improvements, but GPT 6 Sol came out 7 days ago, and this one will behave differently. The panicked pace is becoming a liability, maybe they should have waited and released this as the 6.0 release
  • Nevin1901 45 minutes ago
    I love free market competition. We're getting insane advancements every day. I remember when llms used to cost an arm and a leg for decent intelligence
  • A_D_E_P_T 44 minutes ago
    Looking at the token prices, if this is half as good as 6-Astra for 3D model creation in Blender, it's going to be an absolute game changer.

    Opus 5.5 is definitely better at coding, but nothing even comes close to 6-Astra for work in 3D graphics...

    • CuriouslyC 14 minutes ago
      From the results of a lot of YouTubers in the space, I think Opus 5.5 is pretty competitive with Astra in 3D. It's slightly worse at spatial detail but better at aesthetics and little touches.
    • ekun 39 minutes ago
      How is it with animations?

      I have played around a little bit with fixing some rigging problems and was impressed, but Opus even warned me it was bad at animations cause it can only really grab screenshots to process static content.

      • godwinson__4-8 30 minutes ago
        You need to use the Blender MCP. There is an official plugin for this now, so the third party one can be avoided.

        I've only dabbled but yes with SOTA models it is very good at animating and really most Blender tasks you can think of. Certainly if you are coming at Blender at below expert level it makes it far more accessible and fun to work with.

        There are still rough edges of course. But try the official MCP out with Astra and judge for yourself.

    • lukan 25 minutes ago
      Have you tried fable? (I did small experiements and was satisfied, but maybe there are reasons to switch?)
    • therealdrag0 6 minutes ago
      After all the hype, I’ve been kinda disappointed tbh. Modeling specific models are so much better (eg. Tripo3d). Astra still models some janky crap for me.
  • MisterMunchkin 3 minutes ago
    Still too expensive. Needs to come down to $1 or less to compete with china.
  • neosat 10 minutes ago
    Do these benchmarks have any meaning anymore? And do the announcements seem less exciting now? (Not taking anything away from the advances we are making but it seems more incremental now?) The reliable way to tell if you'll like a model is reliable collage/X reviews to gauge a model's capability and then trying it out to see if you like the style.

    The last time a model announcement felt like a leap in capability beyond other things out there was Fable - which was promptly taken away. Sol and recently Opus 5.5 were strong because they approach that capability with a lot more efficiency and don't blabber incoherently (looking at you Opus 5.1).

    Deepseek is a workhorse for those who prefer open and API usage. Other than that the model announcements all just seem like a blur and quite interchangeable but I wonder if that's just me tuning out or do others feel the same way?

  • fraywing 45 minutes ago
    > GPT‑6.1 Sol matches GPT‑6 Astra at roughly one-fifth of the cost

    Astra is a pretty impressive model. Excited to try this.

  • modeless 24 minutes ago
    GPT 6 Sol is obsolete after only one week! I am glad that they are not afraid to update the models more frequently. The Navier-Stokes thing revealed that it took them only a week or two to train a model more capable than Astra, and I want the pace of public releases to keep up with that.
  • glimshe 45 minutes ago
    This is great. But maybe part of the motivation is that 6-Sol wasn't as good as initially advertised so they needed to tweak it. I felt a clear degradation in quality in some simple refactoring tasks vs 5.6-Sol.
  • dom96 7 minutes ago
    Surprisingly (or maybe not) it matches the performance of Astra on my benchmark[1], but is much cheaper. It is also head to head with Opus 5.5 on both the price and pass rate, but edges it out slightly.

    1 - https://bench.killswitch-lang.org/

  • iamdelirium 44 minutes ago
    I wonder if releasing this soon sort of validates the rumor that Sol 6 was just the Terra model they bumped up and slashed the price.

    Then Opus 5.5 caught them off guard and now they're actually releasing the correct sized model.

    • squidbeak 14 minutes ago
      Whether it was or wasn't, Terra's absence shows Sol has replaced it as the new middle model.
    • hyperpape 18 minutes ago
      If that were true, they’d have axed their margins.
  • mkaic 24 minutes ago
    I got a popup in my Codex just now saying "Try out 6.1 Sol!" and so I clicked the button to try it, and intriguingly, it set my model selector to "GPT-6 Astra Light" which makes me think 6.1 Sol may be in some way just a lighter/distilled version of Astra? defo interesting, not sure if I should read too much into it though. I see no option for directly selecting 6.1 Sol in my Codex Desktop UI.
    • slekker 18 minutes ago
      Astra Light is the default option in the UI, so likely a bug
  • intenex 23 minutes ago
    They released GPT 6 Sol literally 6 days ago. We've accelerated to a weekly model release cadence. That seems like...a big deal.
    • nater5000 7 minutes ago
      >That seems like...a big deal.

      They can release a new version every day if they wanted to. The question is whether or not the new releases provide substantial improvements or not. It's not hard to just go through the motions, bump the minor version, then make an announcement to rile up the users who don't get that none of this is standardized or regulated in any way and it's literally all made up by the company trying to sell them the product.

    • toasty228 11 minutes ago
      Implying they don't have like 3 or 4 "models" (different quants, post training, plain renaming) on the back burner at any point in time to do exactly that
    • zarzavat 15 minutes ago
      It's more like they released GPT 6 Sol too early because they were under pressure and now they are releasing the real version. You cannot do anything more than minor post-training in a week.
  • vb-8448 34 minutes ago
    The real announcement is the ultra fast mode ... Astra at 300t/s is insane!
    • tandr 29 minutes ago
      I am afraid to ask for the price multiplier here. And it will burn your weekly allowance not in 1 day, but in 3 hours now? Or just one?
    • objektif 24 minutes ago
      Where do you see this?
      • vb-8448 21 minutes ago
        i'm watching the keynote
  • prodigycorp 47 minutes ago
    API price cuts were obvious once they made their announcement changing how usage is counted.

    These moves all make sense when you take into account the enterprise market.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49889873

  • Aboutplants 38 minutes ago
    So when does Anthropic answer? Tomorrow?
    • Alifatisk 34 minutes ago
      You live in a ping-pong.
  • thefounder 28 minutes ago
    They need to fix Astra first. My main issue is with GPT in general is that unless steered it goes into building AI “sloppiness”/machinery that is not “needed”.

    The good part is that this kind of behaviour also makes it good to find subtle bugs or debug issues that Fable/Claude just cannot get/fix even when you point it.

  • Alifatisk 21 minutes ago
    I guess they released this because GPT-6 Sol was underwhelming, they didn't even release it to ChatGPT. It was basically GPT-5.6 Terra for the price of Sol. However, who doesn't like price cuts? Astra for the fifth of the price? Wow, OpenAI have been quite generous recently, I still have not forgotten their 90% price cut with GPT-5.6 Luna, and now this? Astra was truly a milestone, and now they are offering similar "intelligence" for cheaper price. Incredible.

    One thing I wish was better communicated is the mileage we get for our subscriptions. I do not fully understand how much usage I get with each model and their reasoning effort on 5h and weekly limit in Codex. I am asking because I know switching to Astra would consume my 5h usage limit quite rapidly, so I avoid it. If I knew how much mileage I would get from each model and respective reasoning effort, then I would be able to plan my workflow better and know when to upgrade model for a task. In almost all cases, GPT-6 Luna (XHigh) have been enough. That's why I appreciate its discount, because its dirt cheap, yet highly capable.

    In other news:

    > In the coming days, we’ll also offer GPT‑6.1 Sol Ultrafast , with up to 8x faster token generation compared to its standard speed in Codex.

  • arctic-true 18 minutes ago
    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the economics of this business if we hit a wall on peak intelligence but keep finding cool ways to lower prices.
  • MetaverseClub 10 minutes ago
    Sam Assman needs money to buy a new super car or private jet?
  • alvis 41 minutes ago
    Cache is priced at $0.1/M, 50% as sol 6 and sonnet 5.5.
  • SirMaster 44 minutes ago
    Guys, are we slowing down yet?
    • scottyah 8 minutes ago
      Yes, obviously. They're both working to make it cheaper, faster, and better at different industries (3d animations, etc). The only direction they are slowing is raw intelligence.
  • nicce 31 minutes ago
    It is hard to trust these scores. GPP 6 Sol has been so bad for few days.
  • hlynurd 48 minutes ago
    Weren't there headlines just yesterday that they weren't releasing this due to safety concerns?
    • pkulak 46 minutes ago
      That was 6.1 Astra. And I'm assuming it's being tabled because it still doesn't match Opus 5.5.

      This is a decent win though, if it really is better. 6-sol was really no good, at least in my work.

      • cmrdporcupine 45 minutes ago
        6 Sol was worse than 5.6 Sol from my own experiences. Far worse.

        Will see if this remedies things.

        • pkulak 43 minutes ago
          Yup, same experience here. I used it for one day, spent the next day fixing its lousy code, then went back to 5.6.
    • tedsanders 48 minutes ago
      GPT-6.1 Astra is what those headlines referred to. This is GPT-6.1 Sol.
  • mekpro 37 minutes ago
    Why they are not even benchmark model against Anthropic or anybody ?
  • t-sauer 47 minutes ago
    Wasn't 6 released like last week? I can't keep up anymore.
    • algoth1 39 minutes ago
      It was so underwhelming that it didn't even make it to chatgpt chat interface
      • oh_no 8 minutes ago
        Sol 6 is in there? You may be on Enterprise where it didn't roll out by default and comes out in a week or so. (Which is a weird and bad change to their model releases.)
    • nsingh2 44 minutes ago
      Yes but it was underwhelming, so they seem to have rushed 6.1 Sol out. Also Opus 5.5 may have spooked them too.
    • SirMaster 43 minutes ago
      Do you need to? Do you always keep up with all the version bumps on the software you use?
  • epolanski 26 minutes ago
    DeepSeek and GLM made it impossible for "sota" to price any way they want.
  • zf00002 41 minutes ago
    I can blow through my weekly on astra in a few hours; hopefully this really is as good.
    • skybrian 30 minutes ago
      I get decent results telling it to use Luna subagents for implementing commits.
  • throwitaway222 41 minutes ago
    So yesterday we were consumed with how this was being delayed because of safety, yada yada.

    Guess not?

    • nimonian 36 minutes ago
      I see where you are coming from. But 6.1 Sol seems like a new frontier in pricing, not intelligence. I do think the deceleration stuff was mostly bluster, but I don't think this release in particular contradicts it too much.
    • minimaxir 38 minutes ago
      That model was implied to be GPT 6.1 Astra, not Sol.
    • murbard2 38 minutes ago
      Astra 6.1, this is Sol 6.1
    • anotha_one 32 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • Lapalux 46 minutes ago
    It's relentless, isn't it?
  • gavin_gee 31 minutes ago
    the race to the bottom on models is well underway. huge IPO's only really make sense for DC/HW lockups, and going vertical.
  • amelius 47 minutes ago
    If these models are so smart, can't _they_ select the right model for each task?
    • skulk 45 minutes ago
      the right model for the task is the one that transfers the maximum amount of USD from your pocket to the provider's bank account.
      • amelius 42 minutes ago
        No because then I'll go to the competition.
    • mholm 34 minutes ago
      Switching models is _very_ expensive in compute (you have to rerun everything from the beginning), and highly variable in cost. Cursor tried doing this for awhile, but inconsistent performance/usage means most users turned it off and pick models specifically.
    • condour75 33 minutes ago
      I guess the question is, does the Dunning Krueger effect apply to models? The dumb ones might think they're up to the task.
    • aleph_minus_one 41 minutes ago
      Why don't you simply ask the respective model which model is best for a specific task? :-)
      • amelius 38 minutes ago
        Because it is more work?
    • SkyBelow 23 minutes ago
      These models have a knowledge cutoff that don't just prevent them from knowing about themselves (especially since most data about the model doesn't even exist until after the model is created), but they also don't know about other recent models. Sure, they can search and use other sources, even make some guesses based on the models they do know, but their default stance is more akin to "User asked about model X, model X doesn't exist, maybe it was an hallucination or mistake, let me do a web search...", but that assumes they have web search and are willing to spend tokens on it.

      Personally I've taken to having a list of 3 to 4 models in default context with some ordering on which to prefer. Things like GPT 6 Luna is cheap very cheap, use it. Because otherwise the model will assume Haiku or such is the good cheap model to use.

      The speed I'm having to update that document has not gone unnoticed.

  • sampton 22 minutes ago
    OAI and Anthropic are locked in an unwindable race. Fighting over the same pool of users while cost is growing at geometric pace.
  • barrenko 44 minutes ago
    A night of no sleep this one will be.
  • aaronbrethorst 47 minutes ago
    Shots fired, half the price of Opus 5.5.
  • tultra 34 minutes ago
    Still not available to me
  • sergiotapia 22 minutes ago
    Typically how long does codex take to update with the right model metadata for the release of a new model?

    {"type":"item.completed","item":{"id":"item_0","type":"error","message":"Model metadata for `gpt-6.1-sol` not found. Defaulting to fallback metadata; this can degrade performance and cause issues."}}

  • cmrdporcupine 46 minutes ago
    Aka "we made an oopsie last week and released what should have been called GPT 6 Terra with the name GPT 6 Sol"
  • slopinthebag 40 minutes ago
    $2/10 is pretty cheap for a frontier model...
  • dcchambers 44 minutes ago
    GPT-6 Sol released a week ago. Shortest model life ever?
    • cmrdporcupine 41 minutes ago
      Taking GPT-6 "Sol" outside behind the shed and giving it a merciful end is about the best outcome possible.

      Huge misstep releasing it.

      • tandr 28 minutes ago
        The misstep was naming it Sol - it was Terra-level all along.
      • algoth1 39 minutes ago
        Bro, I'm a visual thinker
        • cmrdporcupine 36 minutes ago
          Sorry, I'm GenX. Growing up they showed us "Old Yeller" in the school gym every year like that was some kind of treat.
  • IshKebab 44 minutes ago
    I wish they'd list the environmental cost. My employer has an unlimited AI budget so I don't care about using Astra if it's just more profit for OpenAI. I care more if it actually uses 5x more energy.
    • lp92 28 minutes ago
      Did you care about this when it came to your other computing needs? What PC/laptop are ypu running and how efficient is that?
      • codehorses 9 minutes ago
        Likely orders of magnitude different, this is a weak whataboutism.
    • otterley 36 minutes ago
      Given that the number one cost of inference is memory and compute, and the incremental cost of each is energy, cost per inference is roughly proportional to energy consumption.
    • Bolwin 25 minutes ago
      Look at Neuralwatt. They report energy usage with every call as well as aggregate statistics.
    • sergiotapia 13 minutes ago
      I want to energymaxx. Every home should have a nuclear generator for free limitless clean energy. Do not energysimp, we want prosperity for all we must energymaxx and invest heavily in solar/battery/nuclear.
    • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 40 minutes ago
      I don't understand the point of this, why just now when it comes to llms. Why wasn't anyone enraged with the environmental costs of kids playing video games. I would not be surprised the environmental cost of that is an order of magnitude bigger than what llms have.

      Edit: for context, just Steam alone has ~200million monthly active users.

      • JDups 17 minutes ago
        Because people find video games fun, though I suppose there's some vocal people that think of them as bad for society. In contrast the AI companies are promising a torment nexus future.

        I'd be curious as to how much of internet infrastructure is dedicated to gaming though.

      • paulryanrogers 30 minutes ago
        Considering Nvidia's hard shift to crypto and now AI, I doubt videogames are even in the same ballpark.

        How many DCs are devoted solely to gaming?

        • lp92 26 minutes ago
          Considering many games make use of cloud computing for online play and similar functions, they probably make up a pretty goot bit of global cloud compute capacity. Likely quite a lot less than the big AI players, but not an insignificant amount.
          • HelloMcFly 22 minutes ago
            The energy costs of the cloud computing required for gaming are substantially less in power - not to mention overall demand - than LLMs. Come on, we're not in the same energy ballpark here.
            • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 12 minutes ago
              >The energy costs of the cloud computing required for gaming are substantially less in power

              Yes but it adds up when you consider that just on Steam alone there are 200 million monthly active users.

        • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 13 minutes ago
          >How many DCs are devoted solely to gaming?

          An entire planet. Just Steam alone has one or two hundres million monthly active users.

      • lbrito 20 minutes ago
        If you recall history past the last 5 minutes, you will remember that people have indeed been enraged with the environmental costs of things for a long time. Its just that AI seems to have induced a mass amnesia, and people tend to forget about what happened pre 2024.
        • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 10 minutes ago
          > you will remember that people have indeed been enraged with the environmental costs of things for a long time

          Yeah? Show me the big movements against computer gaming.

  • lynx97 24 minutes ago
    Came here only to check if the pelican spam has made it to the top again.
  • jdw64 36 minutes ago
    GPT 6.0 Sol was so terrible—I wonder if 6.1 Sol will be good?
  • formvoltron 32 minutes ago
    didn't 6 sol just come out a couple weeks ago?
    • Alifatisk 30 minutes ago
      Other comments have already addressed this.
  • sehw 38 minutes ago
    I stopped using LLMs. I shit you not. My life got better.
  • Starlevel004 44 minutes ago
    Okay, now price cut 6 Sol (and rename it to Terra again).
  • godwinson__4-8 34 minutes ago
    Let's all boycott and move to Claude until they release 6.1 Astra. I don't like to be teased.

    When is the alleged "safety" concern satisfied? Does this mean releasing new capability to consumers is going to get a lot slower? Lower price for 6 Astra capability via this 6.1 Sol is exciting, but that is because of Astra capability not merely the low price point.

    When do we get the next jump in capability? When is 6.1 Astra released?

    • ColonelPhantom 25 minutes ago
      Isn't Anthropic doing the same, with Opus 5.5 being out while Fable/Mythos is still on 5.1?
      • wren6991 15 minutes ago
        It's just vibe versioning, right? Fable 5 is a beloved product, it gets a .1 bump to feel close. Opus 5 and Sonnet 5 had a mixed reception, they get a .5 bump to create a sense of distance.

        After what DeepSeek pulled with V4.1 Flash I've given up on trying to map LLM versions to semver.

      • godwinson__4-8 21 minutes ago
        Is this due to a similar safety concern or just because it's not ready yet for one (or more) of a myriad of possible reasons?

        The coverage around 6.1 Astra seems deliberately playing into the dubious, recently headline "safety" narrative in a way that feels distinct. But you may be correct in which case, I would take the correction on board and maybe suggest a different alternative.

        Although in theory if OpenAI was boycotted in this way the market pressure would force them to release. Then everyone moves back over there. Then Claude faces the same pressure. So even so, I think it could still work even if you have to trade off who you are boycotting from time to time.

        Without more details on the credibility of the "safety" concern this seems like a totally coherent action for customers to take. We shouldn't put up with teasing.