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  • jnwatson 12 hours ago
    Fable 5 on Max knocks it out of the park:

    https://imgur.com/a/usR8K7G

    Definitely has some creative flourishes.

    (I made no extra prompting. Just the above text. Single shot.)

    • xeromal 10 hours ago
      I'm out of credits or I would've tried fable. I knew it would do well
    • zombot 9 hours ago
      rex paludis is a nice touch.
      • amarant 8 hours ago
        It's even Carolus rex paludis! Not sure if fable is a history buff or a Sabaton fan, but I repeat myself.
    • nathanappere 8 hours ago
      It makes the frog a king which is not in the prompt, so there is a bit of confusion.
      • DimitriBouriez 6 hours ago
        I'm afraid you'll need to look up "Habsburg" yourself.
        • TonyStr 6 hours ago
          Nathan is right though. It specifies a Habsburg jaw, not that the frog is a Habsburg king/prince. It's understandable that the LLM will hallucinate a king from this, but it isn't what's being asked of it.
          • bulbar 1 hour ago
            When I ask to create an image of a smartphone, it will most likely show the front and while it's turned on, even though it's not mentioned. For a person, it will add clothing.

            Adding things that are not explicitly stated in the prompt but that are probable are the main benefit of AI, as far as I am concerned.

          • tjoff 6 hours ago
            It's not hallucination. The prompt lacks details and given that an AI or a human has some artistic freedom. After all, that is why current AI is usable at all.
    • inigyou 2 hours ago
      Uh, it failed the test by assuming it was royalty.
    • nsbshsuzuh 10 hours ago
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  • hn_throwaway_99 18 hours ago
    I thought this was great, and hilarious. Kudos to Opus 5, I thought it was the only one that came close to passing. Interestingly, I thought many of the failures drew the frog face OK, and they had some type of big blob for the jaw, so they knew "Hapsburg jaw" meant a protruding jaw, but it wasn't really connected to the frog face in any way that made sense.

    Small side note, the first gemini-2.5-pro one totally reminded me of some sad faced meme or Pepe the frog from somewhere. Anyone know what I'm referring to, tried to find it.

    • viciousvoxel 17 hours ago
      Perhaps you're thinking of Salad Fingers?
      • qwertybased 16 hours ago
        ~I'm leaning more towards the rage face poker face~

        edit: nevermind, definitely "monkey-puppet side-eye" vibe.

  • krisoft 14 hours ago
    Curious that none of the attempts draw the frog from side profile. If i have to draw this i would immediately know that drawing a recognisable frog is the easy part of job. Expressing a particular jaw shape and melding it on the frog is the hard part. And jaw shapes are more prominent from the side.

    Even absence of thinking this through you would think that some frogs will be from the front, some from the side. Just by chance. And yet all appears to go for the harder pose.

  • thebigship 17 hours ago
    Hi all, the site is getting hugged to death, thank you, was not expecting this kind of warm response. I will be working to make this more reliable, in the meantime, sign up for my newsletter: https://www.jaymollica.com/blog/

    also my favorite SVG was def the google/gemini-3.6-flash

    edit: ok better now I think

    • troupo 17 hours ago
      > also my favorite SVG was def the google/gemini-3.6-flash

      That looks like something from Machinarium or Robots :)

  • abound 13 hours ago
    My personal benchmark is a directory containing a bunch of research papers on the physics of popping popcorn kernels, and a prompt about creating high fidelity, photo realistic 3D models of all the different kinds of popped kernels. Fable (surprisingly? unsurprisingly?) refused to do it last time I tried, and the results from other models are, well, fine, but there's still plenty of headroom on this particular one.
    • uncivilized 12 hours ago
      LLMs don’t work particularly well in 3d applications in my experience. Every new model release I’ll ask one for help with my path tracer and results are horrid.
      • leptons 8 hours ago
        I had great success with Claude editing and cleaning up STL files that I created by 3D scanning objects using my cellphone. The scans were very messy and the AI made the clean-up really easy.
  • fennecfoxy 2 hours ago
    Isn't that therefore a benchmark specifically on "it can generate an SVG of this exact thing" and naught else?
  • riazrizvi 15 hours ago
    The secret to great interview questions and challenge tests is keeping them secret. Posting them on HN and getting them onto the front page puts them in jeopardy.
  • evan_ 17 hours ago
    Hopsburg Jaw
    • 4sak3n 5 hours ago
      I so desperately want to upvote this. Driveby puns don't get nearly enough recognition
  • wren6991 17 hours ago
    Opus 5 clearly frogmaxxed.

    gemini-3.6-flash runs 2 and 3 responded best to the royal portrait context.

    • fasterik 17 hours ago
      Arguably, a royal portrait is a misinterpretation of the prompt, since it's just asking for a specific facial feature. But I guess you could look at it as a bit of artistic license.
    • andybak 17 hours ago
      > frogmaxxed

      raninemandibularprognathism-maxxed?

  • getnormality 18 hours ago
    This is a strong benchmark! None of these could be remotely mistaken for human art. Opus 5 comes closest.
  • zirkuswurstikus 10 hours ago
  • vb-8448 6 hours ago
    It's curious that all images are front facing ... although, for a habsburg jaw, a profile or 3/4 profile picture would be better.
  • rush86999 17 hours ago
    It's opus 5 > Kimi K3 > grok 4.5

    That's a pretty good benchmark

  • ianberdin 16 hours ago
    Check out my MacBook SVG benchmark. From my experience, it demonstrates the Real model’s behavior. However, I notice the errors it makes, which are similar to the mistakes made by the mistake model in code.

    https://playcode.io/blog/macbook-svg-benchmark

    • xenonite 7 hours ago
      Great idea! Would be interesting to see the raw SVG sources too, not only the renderings.
  • sn0n 5 hours ago
    TIL that Jay Leno has a Habsburg jaw!
  • ricardobeat 16 hours ago
    Gemini 2.5 Pro fails, but has a distinctive art style that is quite nice. It seems to understand shading to a much higher level than all other models.
    • klooney 10 hours ago
      I preferred the Gemini 3-6 ones with all the extra kingly decorations
  • dehrmann 17 hours ago
    How do models approach SVG generation? In one version, I imagine them actually trying to reason about them as an LLM. In another, I imagine something closer to a GAN.
    • TSltd 14 hours ago
      I would be interested to hear more about that too. SVGs seem to be one of the biggest challenges- it has to write reasoned code rather than simply find averages of rasterized pixels. One thing I noticed is that none of the models chose to draw the frog in profile which would have made the jaw shape more prominent. To me that suggests the reasoning is very limited: "draw a frog" and "add feature X". The statistically average frog in the SVG training data is apparently front-facing. I tried the prompt in ChatGPT images (not SVG) and it produced a photo-realistic image of the frog in profile, showing the jaw clearly. Then when I asked it to convert the image to a cartoon vector it fell back to a generic front portrait template similar to those shown in the benchmark, nothing like the profile it had just produced.
    • akomtu 13 hours ago
      Image -> loose text description -> SVG. Did you notice that ChatGPT writes a verbose description of the image first?
  • linksnapzz 17 hours ago
    A friend’s favorite prompt is “Batman & Julia Child; in the kitchen laughing at a ham”. Sounds simple, but has been surprisingly tough.
  • leumon 18 hours ago
    Can you also try the new deepseek v4 flash?
  • gerdesj 16 hours ago
    Please could we have a human generated image to compare the AI generated tosh with?
  • k1e 16 hours ago
    No gpt-5.6 sol and no fable?
    • thebigship 13 hours ago
      I will add them for next month!
  • yanhangyhy 8 hours ago
    gemini is worse than DS??
  • MiroslavPokorny 16 hours ago
    My test is to ask AI to pick up all the rubbish at the beach.
  • buffer_overlord 12 hours ago
    They all suck
  • konart 9 hours ago
    glm could have been 5.2.

    But Kimi and Claude win this (from models listed on the page)

  • thebigship 8 hours ago
    btw I have now added this to Hugging Face https://huggingface.co/datasets/jaymollica/frogs
  • csomar 16 hours ago
    Here is GLM 5.2 (https://codeinput.com/s/HAO0qTxw2ia) which is still inferior to Opus. I can't find Qwen 3.8 which now is my daily driver replacing GLM. This SVG test matches my experience when working with the different models. The other models can get the details right but their output is structured in a way that makes little or no sense.

    I also did a timeline from 4.7 to 5.2: https://codeinput.com/s/7oK2IIA7qRO The improvements in models looks much less impressive with this test.

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  • throwuxiytayq 16 hours ago
    My personal human benchmark: "Jump on one leg, while reciting the national anthem of Latvia, translated to Spanish, backwards, while drawing a frog with a brush held by toes of the other leg, on the ceiling". So far they're not doing very good but I'm sure they'll improve over time.
  • epolanski 16 hours ago
    I don't get the point of these benchmarks, what are they supposed to represent practically?
    • acdha 12 hours ago
      The vendors like to toss around terms like “thinking” or “reasoning” to encourage prospective buyers to anthropomorphize models. These challenges are a visceral reminder that none of those marketing claims accurately describe was LLMs do: they’ll happily return things even the worst human illustrator would never hand in and make errors showing that there’s no model of the world behind anything they do.

      That doesn’t mean there are no ways to use them productively but rather that you should keep in mind that the same model will happily give you code or a decision with the same level of error unless you have carefully setup a QA regimen to prevent that.

      • zahlman 7 hours ago
        > That doesn’t mean there are no ways to use them productively but rather that you should keep in mind that the same model will happily give you code or a decision with the same level of error unless you have carefully setup a QA regimen to prevent that.

        The standard retort seems to be "this is also true of a large proportion of humans". But I think it's clear that there are differing patterns in how humans vs. models err on various tasks.

        • acdha 3 hours ago
          Exactly right: it’s not that humans were perfect-I’ve seen too many write-offs from the big consulting companies to ever say that—but that the pattern of errors is different and any intuition you have around that will not be correct in the LLM era.
    • Mindless2112 12 hours ago
      Unless the LLM has an SVG renderer in its toolbox, it's like asking a human to draw while blindfolded. It's amazing if they can do it well, but it's practically meaningless.
    • runarberg 16 hours ago
      For me this looks ideological (or even political), not practical. The theory is that LLMs are approaching general intelligence (whatever that means) and that the more generic of a task they can perform—no matter how badly—the closer we are to AGI.

      Specialized models can do this a lot better and for far cheaper then LLMs, but because people are so politically invested in a single statistical model being able to outperform a human on every metric (no matter how expensive the compute), then we get these ridiculous benchmarks.

    • viccis 16 hours ago
      The ability of an LLM to produce something not in its training data set.
  • epolanski 17 hours ago
    Gemini 3.6 flash is crazy good.

    Would've wanted to see also DS4 flash.

    • gpvos 16 hours ago
      Crazy funny, yes, but not good.
      • epolanski 16 hours ago
        I think that on the rendering side, it's miles ahead of the rest, even if off topic.
        • gpvos 1 hour ago
          Rendering yeah, understanding nope.
  • troupo 17 hours ago
    Mine is any variations on mammoths in various situations, or anthropomorphic. Since mammoths are invariably majestically going from one place to another in any of the books, models have hard time imagining anything but that.

    Also try a fantasy archer with a proper bow who is not brooding, sitting in a fantasy wood :)

  • AlienRobot 15 hours ago
    Am I the only one who thinks it's incredible that an LLM can do this, and at the same time it's ridiculous to expect it to be capable of doing it, even thought it clearly can do it?
  • thebigship 18 hours ago
    I think this one has advantages over the “pelican riding a bicycle” one because it hinges on an anatomical feature that many models associate with royalty, “habsburg” being a lineage and “habsburg jaw” being an anatomical feature.

    Seven of fourteen models silently imported royalty into a prompt that named only an anatomical feature. Two of them knew they were extrapolating ("because Habsburg") and did it anyway.

    Mistral returned byte-identical output across separate calls.

    Gemini narrates its work in 65 comments; Llama says nothing.

    If you're deciding which model to trust with instructions, "how much does it embellish beyond what I asked" and "does it behave deterministically" are directly practical questions.

    • zahlman 7 hours ago
      > Two of them knew they were extrapolating ("because Habsburg") and did it anyway.

      You seem to imply that they ought not to. I disagree.

      I wasn't familiar with the term before this post. Having learned it, were I given the task, I think I'd be strongly tempted to do the same extrapolation.

      > If you're deciding which model to trust with instructions, "how much does it embellish beyond what I asked" and "does it behave deterministically" are directly practical questions.

      Agency is agency. You still need to vet what the model's output is actually permitted to control.

      • thebigship 6 hours ago
        > You seem to imply that they ought not to. I disagree.

        That would be like saying anyone with Lou Gehrig's disease must look like Lou Gehrig. So we'll have to agree to disagree here.

    • n00bskoolbus 17 hours ago
      The identical pair from Mistral took me off guard. Many of the other models were so varied between the runs which is more what I would expect.
      • fwip 16 hours ago
        I wonder if the setup accidentally hit a cache at some layer.
    • HPsquared 17 hours ago
      Bite-identical?
      • thebigship 17 hours ago
        clearly I missed an amazing copy opportunity, thank you haha
  • sixtyj 18 hours ago
    For those who don’t know a Habsburg jaw also known as mandibular prognathism, it is a genetic condition characterized by a protruding lower jaw, which was notably prevalent among members of the Habsburg royal family due to their history of inbreeding. This condition often resulted in significant facial deformities and difficulties with eating and speaking.
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