Project Gutenberg – keeps getting better

(gutenberg.org)

237 points | by JSeiko 1 hour ago

20 comments

  • JSeiko 1 hour ago
    Hi! I'm one of the programmers at Gutenberg. We've been improving the site a lot over the past few months (and more is coming!). If you haven't visited the page recently, it's worth checking out again: https://www.gutenberg.org/
    • jefurii 1 minute ago
      [delayed]
    • Falimonda 1 hour ago
      The book list elements on front page render as both horizontally and vertically scrollable divs on mobile - seems like an opportunity for improvement.

      Keep up the good work!

      • JSeiko 1 hour ago
        good feedback thanks! Doing an iteration on the homepage design is actually pretty high on the priority list. will keep your feedback in mind!
    • xrd 1 hour ago
      Thank you for your work. This site is an international treasure.
    • excitednumber 1 hour ago
      Thank you for being one of the best places on the internet
    • ExtremisAndy 1 hour ago
      Oh, my! This does look nice. Thank you for your hard work!
      • JSeiko 1 hour ago
        Thanks! We're currently working on a design update of the page of any specific book. Should be online soon (next 1-2 weeks or so)
    • TimorousBestie 6 minutes ago
      Wanna let you know you’re doing great work and you have my dream job, thanks to the team for everything!
    • smallnix 56 minutes ago
      There's a minor bug with chrome in android where the menu will not close when you tap outside the menu or on the menu link/button
      • JSeiko 31 minutes ago
        I've messaged the guy who's best suited to fixing this. He'll be on it this weekend
      • JSeiko 49 minutes ago
        will open an "Issue" for it
    • shuvrojit 58 minutes ago
      Great Work. Thank you. I'm also a programmer. If you are ever short on help, let me know. I would love to contribute.
    • BiraIgnacio 37 minutes ago
      Thanks so much for the work you and your team do!
    • samcollins 1 hour ago
      Very cool! Do you have a recommended way for an agent to see an index of the books and epub links?

      (I can’t quite tell if that’s an egregious abuse of the site or you’re perfectly fine to share without human eye balls hitting your www?)

      • jzs 1 hour ago
        Now i'm not associated with gutenberg in any form, but they do have a page for offline consumption:

        https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/offline_catalogs.html

        Perhaps you can find the information you are looking for there.

        However if you plan on scraping or otherwise hitting them with a ton of traffic, consider at least to donate a good amount for the traffic you cause them. It ain't free after all.

        • JSeiko 1 hour ago
          Donations are always appreciated ;)
      • gluejar 3 minutes ago
        if what you want is all the text, please use the tarball or data files at https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/feeds
      • kay_o 1 hour ago
        Check out https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/offline_catalogs.html

        Don't hit the site with agent. The section furtherst bottom machine readable.

      • samcollins 51 minutes ago
        Thanks for the answers! Found it:

        > All Project Gutenberg metadata are available digitally in the XML/RDF format. This is updated daily (other than the legacy format mentioned below). Please use one of these files as input to a database or other tools you may be developing, instead of crawling or roboting the website.

        And strongly consider a donation! (My addition)

        https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/offline_catalogs.html#the-p...

      • JSeiko 1 hour ago
        not yet, but that's not a bad idea imo. Dealing with Ai crawler traffic is definitely a challenge if that's what you were referring to.
      • ancientcatz 1 hour ago
        OPDS?
        • gluejar 27 minutes ago
          OPDS 2.0 coming RSN. email us if you want to test. OPDS 0.x is currently available (not recommended) by adding .opds to the end of a url
      • e0d075b569cd 1 hour ago
        brother ... are we really THAT stupid now?
    • nomoreusernames 1 minute ago
      [dead]
  • throw0101c 1 hour ago
    While PG has probably gotten a lot of use and growth with the growth/maintreaming of the Internet since the 1990s, (TIL) it started back in 1971:

    > Michael S. Hart began Project Gutenberg in 1971 with the digitization of the United States Declaration of Independence.[5] Hart, a student at the University of Illinois, obtained access to a Xerox Sigma V mainframe computer in the university's Materials Research Lab. […] This computer was one of the 15 nodes on ARPANET, the computer network that would become the Internet. Hart believed one day the general public would be able to access computers and decided to make works of literature available in electronic form for free. […]

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gutenberg

    • gluejar 2 minutes ago
      wikipedians, please help update this article.
  • gluejar 18 minutes ago
    Nice to see so much appreciation for what we do. (I'm the new-ish executive director.) Any wikipedians reading this, the article about PG is... aging. Last I looked, it said we offered Plucker files. @Jseiko has done some nice work.
  • Someone1234 1 hour ago
    I'm surprised no eBook Reader vendor has a Project Gutenberg "Store." Where you can just browse Gutenberg, find a book, and just grab it down to the reader. Instead, they either are actively hostile (Kindle), or require the use of Calibre (which itself is good, it is just the friction).
    • WillAdams 15 minutes ago
      Used to be one could sort of get that with the Project Librivox:

      https://librivox.org/

      e-book app Gutebooks (in addition to their audio app), but it seems to have been deprecated (I'm no longer able to connect to the server on my copy (which I only got 'cause there was an in-app purchase to fund Project Librivox).

      FWIW, Barnes & Noble has been plundering the public domain using a book composition/keying house in the Philippines to make their public domain books which they make available in their stores --- Amazon apparently has a similar setup for the Kindle Store:

      https://www.amazon.com/Public-Domain-Books-Kindle-Store/s?k=...

      Rather a shame that PG didn't monetize by putting their books up there pre-emptively.

    • horsawlarway 1 hour ago
      I've used https://standardebooks.org/ to pull nicely formatted Project Gutenberg books on any e-reader that supports a browser (in my case, Boox).

      Technically, I can also just directly pull the epub from Project Gutenberg, but sometimes the formatting leaves a lot to be desired.

      Once you get an e-reader that runs a semi-capable OS (ex - stock android, even an older version), it's hard to go back to something like a kindle.

    • GaryBluto 1 hour ago
      Most of them offer their own paid storefronts and have a perverse incentive not to offer a large area full of free books.
      • JSeiko 58 minutes ago
        probably true. Maybe an true open-source eReader should exist.
    • JSeiko 1 hour ago
      I've heard that the newest Kobo e-readers have a browser that you could use to go to gutenberg.org and directly download files.

      but yes, generally I agree with your point. Library of 75k books seems pretty valuable to have direct access to.

    • daveoc64 14 minutes ago
      You can download books directly from the Project Gutenberg website using the web browser on most eBook readers - even the Kindle supports it.
    • cstever 45 minutes ago
      No money for them.
  • smilespray 7 minutes ago
    I remember printing out project Gutenberg books in the mid-90s, four regular pages to an A4 page, double-sided on my inkjet. I had a background in typography, so I made it work.

    Now, in my early fifties and with declining eyesight, that's out of reach now.

  • ndr42 35 minutes ago
    The project was geo-blocked in Germany for a long time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29024039
  • JKCalhoun 58 minutes ago
    Project Gutenberg had (has?) a tendency toward plaintext that always put me off. (And it has been over a decade I'm sure since I explored the site—so I am no doubt now misinformed.)

    I like a styled formatted book—would prefer PDFs. (I know, not a popular format apparently.)

    I like the idea of Project Gutenberg but guess I found book scans on archive.org my preference.

    My go-to example is Lewis Carroll's "Through the Looking Glass" with the fantastic art of John Tenniel and Carroll's sometimes creative formatting of the prose…

    I see they (Project Gutenberg) have ePub now, which can be good if well done.

    (If not well done it can be a kind of mess. Re-flowable "HTML", paginated… Anyone ever try to print a long web page and did you enjoy the result? Perhaps that is as much on the ePub reader though.)

    • JSeiko 52 minutes ago
      We're supporting EPUB3 for the vast majority of books! At the same time we also have a "Plain Text" version for each as in a sense it's the most robust. PdFs are in the works!
    • JLO64 54 minutes ago
      As others here have mentioned, https://standardebooks.org/ is excellent and my understanding is that they use Gutenberg books as a source for theirs but done up much nicer.
    • RattlesnakeJake 56 minutes ago
      Check out Standard eBooks. They take the text from Gutenberg and add a level of polish to the ePubs.
    • skrtskrt 23 minutes ago
      The common issue with PDFs is that e-readers generally have terrible support for them.
    • jiffygist 53 minutes ago
      I on the other hand prefer epubs for fiction. I mostly read on the phone.
    • gluejar 25 minutes ago
      PDF coming this year.
    • graemep 56 minutes ago
      I have got quite a few books over the years from Gutenberg, and the epubs have been fine 0 even of illustrated ones.
    • the_af 41 minutes ago
      I like plain text. You can always post process it into any other format you prefer.
  • kreyenborgi 14 minutes ago
    Gutenberg is awesome. There is also

    https://www.fadedpage.com/ from Canada I think

    https://runeberg.org/ from Sweden

  • RattlesnakeJake 57 minutes ago
    As a Kindle user, I still miss the old version of the site. The new one looks great on normal desktop, but the old one was simple enough to load and directly download books on the device's built-in browser.
    • JSeiko 55 minutes ago
      That's interesting. What about the new design prevents you from doing it? Genuinely asking here. We may fix it if it's actionable
      • RattlesnakeJake 36 minutes ago
        And now it's time to put my foot in my mouth. I haven't used it in a while because it was frustrating, but you guys seem to have already fixed it :)

        The previous version of the site had two major flaws:

        1. The search bar had been removed from the top of the page, and hidden behind a "Click here to search" (or similar) link partway down the page

        2. Once you opened that page, the coloring of the site was so washed out on e-ink that the text input was hard to find.

        Thanks for fixing it!

        • JSeiko 33 minutes ago
          "you guys seem to have already fixed it" - that's what we like to hear :)
    • graemep 54 minutes ago
      Is that a Kindle issue?

      You can download books in most browsers. I know Amazon have done things to make life difficult for other stores in the past.

  • oidar 19 minutes ago
    I'm slightly curious how PG handles heavily illustrated books. I've downloaded some years ago, and the quality of the illustrations was always pretty poor. Has it been improved lately? What's the QA like for illustrations?
    • gluejar 10 minutes ago
      Nowadays we depend on scans from Internet Archive, Hathitrust, and other sources. Some scans are better than others. Bear in mind that our illustrations need to be in the public domain and usually from the same edition as the text. https://www.gutenberg.org/help/errata.html
  • kgwxd 2 minutes ago
    How did "Concrete Construction: Methods and Costs" come to be the #1 download?
  • bryankaplan 12 minutes ago
    I find it interesting that the context of this comments page apparently overrides the normal definition of “PG” on HN.
    • JSeiko 11 minutes ago
      :D
      • JSeiko 10 minutes ago
        personally I'm a fan of the other "PG" as well.
  • seizethecheese 1 hour ago
    A big pet peeve of mine with Project Gutenberg was the lack of mobile styling. Looks like it’s been fixed! Awesome.
    • JSeiko 1 hour ago
      good to hear - that was a lot of work!
  • AndrewStephens 19 minutes ago
    PG remains one of the best things on the internet. The amount of fascinating material almost beggers belief.
    • JSeiko 12 minutes ago
      the amount of weird/interesting stuff that one would find nowhere else is possibly the coolest aspect of PG imo
  • mowmiatlas 1 hour ago
    Made an app that allows reading PG books as audiobooks on iPhone https://loudreader.io/
    • JSeiko 1 hour ago
      that's cool!
  • aronhegedus 1 hour ago
    Recently downloaded Moby Dick from here:) very easy to use
    • JSeiko 24 minutes ago
      Moby Dick is consistently one of the Top Downloads
  • carlosjobim 36 minutes ago
    Their feeds of new books is a goldmine:

    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/feeds.html

    Every day you'll get much more than you're bargaining for, right into your feed or inbox. Easy download books you're interested in and put them on your Kindle.

  • taubek 1 hour ago
    Thank you for reminding me about this project. Didn’t visit it in a long time.
  • solarity_studio 1 hour ago
    Awesome
  • brcmthrowaway 1 hour ago
    I can't read anymore due to fear of not being productive with AI