24 comments

  • Fnoord 11 hours ago
    I did this with a Raspberry Pi. The printer in question only has WiFi and USB, no ethernet (the WiFi wasn't stable, and I don't trust the TCP/IP stack anyway). So what I did was I connected it to a Raspberry Pi via USB which is connected via ethernet to the living room. I added AirPrint and brscan, and the device can be shared via usbip.

    For example, you can use a USB SDR and connect to it via usbip.

    Initially, I also had to actually use qemu x86-64 for the scanner part which wasn't ideal.

    The only UI computers which use it, are Apple's (iPhone and iPad). In a world where the network is the computer, usbip and iscsi are very cool tech.

    The reason I went with a Raspberry Pi is since it already acts as an interface for Valetudo. So it was already in use anyway. Also, I want to add Bluetooth for IoT scanning, considering to run Home Assistant on it.

    But yes, what it does lack is a UI. I was thinking of adding something with a reverse proxy, but I have no idea what, and this whole project isn't residing in my house. It is in my mother's apartment.

    • paradox460 9 hours ago
      I've been using a pi print server for a few years now. Runs my shipping label printer, an excellent HP color printer from the early 2000s, and a few other oddball printers
  • morpheuskafka 18 hours ago
    If you are using an LLM, wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just have the LLM find the relevant CUPS driver decompile or just capture the USB traffic, and rewrite it in Go or something native? (No need to deal with the system printing framework, the goal was just an app that accepts JPEG input.)
    • gmac 18 hours ago
      Interesting suggestion: I guess that would have been possible. On the other hand I think this is a more general solution, and it does minimal reinventing-the-wheel.
    • ValdikSS 12 hours ago
      That's definitely possible for simpler drivers (CUPS filters) which accept CUPS-raster data for input. That's a majority of drivers for old printers.
    • dolmen 17 hours ago
      Or ask the agent to write a Dockerfile (to abstract the build environment) that builds CUPS and all your stuff around it directl in WASM, instead of targeting x86 and then emulating x86 with WASM.
      • jojomodding 17 hours ago
        Is there a Docker-to-WASM pipeline, and how does it do anything differently from emulating x86?
    • huflungdung 17 hours ago
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  • ValdikSS 11 hours ago
    >Perhaps I could set them up a Raspberry Pi as a print server? But that would make it not so cheap. And anyway, I’m not convinced they’d go for the extra plugs and wires.

    $35 and it's yours, with tech support and CUPS/SANE development funding included, and all open source: https://printserver.ink

    Extra plugs could be eliminated with the help of "IEC320 3 pin C14 TO Male C13+2" cable: https://ae-pic-a1.aliexpress-media.com/kf/S4c8681fb1283499b8...

    • sublinear 11 hours ago
      > 1 GiB LPDDR4

      Wouldn't this be a huge problem trying to print anything with images or more than a page or two (most PDFs for example)?

      • morpheuskafka 4 hours ago
        Most network printers don't have that much right? I remember seeing a few 256MB sticks in those old copiers that served a whole buildings.
      • ggm 6 hours ago
        print spoolers typically consume space in /var/ for the files being printed and then stream them to the device through the output filters. The amount of data in play to render a page is not typically that big. Yes, there are corner cases analogous to a zip bomb which can make the print model explode. No, in practice this isn't very normal: printing is one of the spaces where compression of the data is entirely normal. "please print another row of black, where black is that thing I told you before, do that 2048 times and then come back"
  • Chepko932 4 hours ago
    Running automation pipelines with LangGraph agents that control real hardware (Raspberry Pi Pico W over USB HID) makes sandboxing non-negotiable. A rogue agent on a terminal is annoying, and sending the wrong HID commands to a device can brick it.

    So here’s what I did: the agent only spits out a JSON action plan and never executes anything directly. A separate validator checks the plan against a whitelist of allowed USB commands before anything gets sent forward. In short, treat the agent like an untrusted external contributor—that’s exactly what it is.

    The SSH/VM approach from the article works well for pure coding. But with hardware-in-the-loop setups, you need that extra barrier between "the agent wants to do X" and "X actually happens."

  • Gabrys1 16 hours ago
    > I must apologise that I haven’t so far open-sourced any part of this that I don’t have to. Mainly that’s because I think this would be an awesomely sticky web property for a printer consumables firm to integrate with their sales site. And I’d much prefer it if they paid me to white-label it for them, rather than just forking a repo and getting it all for free.

    They might be interested if they cared at all about the ease of use of their printers

    • zamadatix 14 hours ago
      The hardest part would probably be convincing someone to pay to white label something for which most of the key design choices and implementation came from one unfamiliar dev prompting an £18 Claude Code subscription.
      • gmac 3 hours ago
        Claude was great, but I did put a fair amount of my own time and (non-printing-specific) expertise into this. OTOH, sure, I wouldn’t be asking for a million dollars.
    • jeroenhd 15 hours ago
      These printer makers have the source code and the ability to write firmware. If they wanted to support WebUSB, they could and would.
    • kube-system 16 hours ago
      They are referring to aftermarket ink cartridge companies, not the printer OEM.
  • ale42 15 hours ago
    I'm using an ancient Canon Selphy photo printer... on Windows 11 without any issues. Using the Windows 7 64-bit driver, worked basically out-of-the-box. It's definitely not officially supported, but to date it works totally fine.
    • gmac 15 hours ago
      Huh, interesting. Is the driver built in to Windows, downloaded from Canon, or acquired some other way?

      TBH the web app story on Windows isn’t ideal anyway because you have to install Zadig before it will work.

  • bityard 17 hours ago
    Okay, this is reasonably genius. I have quite a few USB devices lying around that are either old enough or were niche enough that they don't work on modern _anything_, even Linux. One of them is a GameBoy Advance flash cartridge.
    • yjftsjthsd-h 17 hours ago
      Oh, there's a thought - v86 supports lots of old DOS/Windows versions too, so assuming you could get the right port through (probably easy with anything USB, maybe possible with other things?) you could probably use your choice of old drivers:)
  • aesopturtle 12 hours ago
    One thing I appreciate here is that it treats old hardware as worth saving, not as a nuisance to route around. There’s a lot of hidden value in software that extends the life of perfectly functional devices, especially when the alternative is replacing them for reasons that are mostly ecosystem drift. This is the good kind of absurd.
  • hexmiles 14 hours ago
    I know that it is a heavyweight solution, but it could be useful for some situations with old driver/devices/applications. I have some old hardware that is compatible only with pre-WinNT OS, and I could do something similar to provide a simple solution for the end user.
    • Narishma 14 hours ago
      Would such old hardware even be able to run a modern browser needed for this?
      • hexmiles 14 hours ago
        Sorry, I wasn't clear. By old hardware, I meant peripherals connected to the computer via serial or USB. We are at a level of performance where running an entire VM as a driver is kind of feasible, if wasteful.
        • jillesvangurp 7 hours ago
          It's not that wasteful if you don't need this stuff most of the time. I have an old HP laser printer from 2008 or so. Nearly 20 years old at this point. Works fine but HP does not provide new drivers and the current x86 ones for my mac will stop working when Apple stops supporting x86 emulation. HP could fix this but they probably don't want to. There likely is a decent Linux driver for this thing. A solution like in the article, or qemu or docker with some way to access this thing over USB could probably get the job done.

          I rarely print anything in any case; which is why replacing this thing is not a really a priority for me. I print something maybe once or twice per year at best at this point. It works and does the job. I can get replacement toner cartridges on Amazon. There are decent non branded ones that are really affordable. I've only ever bought two, I think. I just don't print a lot. If somebody provides something that works indefinitely, I might still be using this thing in another 20 years.

      • CodeWriter23 13 hours ago
        You run old operating system in browser as a gateway.
  • juancn 17 hours ago
    Thank you, loved this and it made me "duh!".

    I have an old-ish Samsung laser printer that works perfectly and a Linux file server at home and the printer no longer supports AirPrint.

    I never thought about using the Linux box as an AirPrint server! This will free me from all the odd print requests from my kids! (probably)

    • NegativeLatency 12 hours ago
      Been doing something similar with a Samsung printer and CUPS for years, it’s great

      Found this helpful for generating some of the config files: https://github.com/tjfontaine/airprint-generate

    • asteroidburger 16 hours ago
      It’ll work great if you can get the drivers all aligned properly. I’ve tried a few times to get my 12 year old Brother laser setup like that, and each time I end up throwing in the towel.

      Maybe I’ll try it again someday with an LLM assisting.

    • mikepurvis 17 hours ago
      I have a Samsung ML-1740 kicking around still that I just can't bear to part with; I've been meaning forever to RasPi-ify it, but it's one of those projects that feels like it's going to end up being a rabbit hole.
      • HeyMeco 15 hours ago
        ML-1740 is supported by the driver available here: https://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/index.html Works on my arm64 sbc as a cups printer for another samsung printer
      • ValdikSS 12 hours ago
        >but it's one of those projects that feels like it's going to end up being a rabbit hole.

        I know your feelings. I've started https://printserver.ink because I wanted to buy a retail print server and could not find any. I was expecting half a year overall work for everything, but fixing all printer-related bugs for 3 years already.

        • mikepurvis 7 hours ago
          Ah nice. If I supply my own raspi zero 2W, can I buy just a software license from you? Doing the software integration is the part I'm least looking forward to. :(
  • CodeWriter23 13 hours ago
    So. Does this methodology mean someone can surreptitiously boot up a Linux VM running Wireguard in your browser and be inside your firewall via chrome.sockets API?
    • bastawhiz 12 hours ago
      No? It's still a web page. And the chrome socket API was deprecated and removed for everyone except ChromeOS users in certain cases. The closest you can get is installing a Chrome extension that exposes sockets, but if someone is able to do that, they don't need the browser for help.

      Moreover, you don't even need Linux and Wireguard. WebRTC accomplishes p2p encrypted traffic without libraries.

    • skinner927 9 hours ago
      You don’t need a VM. Do what Netbird does. Compile wireguard-go to WASM and you’re g2g

      https://docs.netbird.io/about-netbird/browser-client-archite...

  • SoftTalker 17 hours ago
    I have an old Epson MX80 dot-matrix printer in the closet, have thought about getting a Raspberry Pi and setting that up so we can wirelessly print to it. But... who would really want that?
    • Pinus 1 hour ago
      As for the "who would want that", I think the use case for that kind of printer today is slow logging. With a laser printer that outputs a page at a time, if you log one line per day the power fails after 65 days, you lose the 65 lines that was in its memory. The MX-80 can print a line, or even a character if you poke it in the ribs a bit, at a time, so if the power goes away, your printed lines are still there.
    • mrighele 17 hours ago
      For a printer like an Epson MX80 an esp32 should be enough to share the printer on a raw TCP interface (AppSocket I think the protocol is named) on port 9100. It is supported by Windows and CUPS.

      Very easy implementation as it essentially it just forwards the data to the printer. Since it's a raw interface you need the proper driver, but luckily Epson provides a Windows 10 driver for the Epson MX-80 (!) [1] CUPS doesn't have driver for the MX-80 but it has a number of generic Epson drivers and my guess is that one of those will work.

      The most difficult part is probably the parallel interface (unless you have a printer with a serial interface in which case it will be much easier)

      [1] https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Impact-Printers/MX-Series...

  • PunchyHamster 14 hours ago
    Doesn't Apple outright uses CUPS in the first place ? Did they just removed old drivers in their version ?
    • ValdikSS 11 hours ago
      You might think that such an important and long-standing feature as printing would undoubtedly be backed up by a large company. This was true until 2019, when it was backed by Apple. Currently, however, CUPS and all related projects are supported by volunteers, including myself.

      Apple abandoned CUPS years ago, and recently have archived the repo on github: https://github.com/apple/cups

      All the current development runs in OpenPrinting github: https://github.com/OpenPrinting, and mostly focused on newer projects, such as CUPS v3, PAPPL, Printer Applications.

      Recent versions of CUPS v2 are still used in Chrome OS and Chromebooks though (apart from all Linuxes).

    • nubinetwork 12 hours ago
      I'd be curious if cups works on wsl as well...
  • hahn-kev 18 hours ago
    This is pretty cool! Thanks for sharing.
  • DeathArrow 16 hours ago
    I would have asked Claude to write a driver. But this works, too. :)
  • monocasa 17 hours ago
    Isn't cups a de facto apple project? What's the VM getting you?
    • merb 17 hours ago
      • monocasa 17 hours ago
        Oh, OK, new information, thanks!

        But this driver is older than OpenPrinting's fork from Apple CUPS.

    • yjftsjthsd-h 17 hours ago
      The gutenprint drivers to support the specific printer don't support darwin
      • monocasa 17 hours ago
        Gutenprint supports macos as a first class citizen, including this particular printer AFAICT.
        • gmac 17 hours ago
          From the Gutenprint home page, https://gimp-print.sourceforge.io/:

          As of July 7, 2024 the Gutenprint project has formally deprecated MacOS support. This means that no further MacOS-compatible binaries will be produced.

          Gutenprint has not had an active MacOS maintainer for over three years, and the remaining developers lack the technical ability to produce MacOS binaries, much less undertake the substantial amount of work necessary to produce, test, and support binaries on newer (post-Mojave/10.14) MacOS releases.

          • monocasa 16 hours ago
            It looks like it's just because they had no way to test, and bandwidth to deal with it. But should still mostly work, once whatever issue (that sounds like app notrization) is fixed.

            It seems like the better option would have been to fix whatever was blocking them just two years ago, rather than this wild rube goldberg machine of a Linux VM emulated in a browser tab.

            • gmac 16 hours ago
              I mean, anyone is welcome to do just that! But I guess coding Rube Goldberg machines in JS (to push the boundaries of the web) is a thing I really kind of enjoy.
  • leptons 17 hours ago
    Too bad Apple is still preventing the WebUSB spec from being standardized. They won't even make suggestions to get it through committee because WebUSB might cut into their native app store.
    • davsti4 16 hours ago
      From: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/WebUSB_API "WebUSB provides a way for these non-standardized USB device services to be exposed to the web. This means that hardware manufacturers will be able to provide a way for their device to be accessed from the web, without having to provide their own API."

      That doesn't sound secure at all!

      • monocasa 15 hours ago
        Which is why Firefox doesn't support it either.
        • leptons 12 hours ago
          Firefox's non-reasons are just as lame as Apple's non-reasons. These APIs aren't security risks, the user has to explicitly opt-in on every website that requests USB access, just like every other privacy-risky API that a website requests, like microphone and camera access. WebUSB is no different.

          The only thing that has changed since camera and microphone access was allowed is that Apple now considers web apps to cut into their app store business, so they are unwilling to let any new APIs get approved that would make a web app as capable as a native app. This includes WebBluetooth and other APIs.

          Apple is also getting sued by the DOJ for exactly this type of shady business practice.

          And I don't really think what Firefox says is relevant, they are so cash-strapped I would not doubt that Apple pays them to have a negative opinion about new web APIs just so people like you can say "Firefox doesn't want it either".

          The truth is there is no good reason to block WebUSB and WebBluetooth from becoming standards.

          • Gigachad 11 hours ago
            The user gets spammed with a million permissions popups a day and has no idea what they are actually accepting or what the risks are. The same looking permissions popup usually means something incredibly trivial like notifications or camera, while the webusb spec is exposing you to potentially high risks of damage to hardware or data theft.
            • leptons 9 hours ago
              >The user gets spammed with a million permissions popups a day and has no idea what they are actually accepting or what the risks are.

              "A million" is quite the hyperbole. So let's just not do anything anymore because it might cause a permission popup? Or because some idiot might trust a scam website? That's your argument? Sorry, it's not a good argument.

              >while the webusb spec is exposing you to potentially high risks of damage to hardware or data theft.

              Please explain a realistic scenario where a website >that someone trusts< is going to "damage hardware or cause data theft".

              I'll wait.

              I don't care about someone's stupid grandfather that is going to find a way to get hacked one way or another - he's not a good reason to hold the rest of us back.

              • Gigachad 6 hours ago
                That’s the source of the issue. Apple sells products that are safe for someone’s stupid grandfather. WebUSB is not safe for people who don’t understand the implications. Which is most people.

                The rest can choose a different browser.

                • leptons 4 hours ago
                  >Apple sells products that are safe for someone’s stupid grandfather.

                  Then then they should be selling it in "grandfather mode". The rest of the non-stupid people that have iPhones (there are non-stupid people with iPhones, aren't there?) should be able to do what they want with their devices. But they can't because Apple puts profit over progress.

                  >The rest can choose a different browser.

                  Except on iOS you can't choose a different browser. Apple has blocked all other browsers on their mobile platform, so if you try to install Chrome, you're really just getting a Safari webview with a wrapper around it. It's just another example of abusive business tactics that the DOJ is suing Apple for.

                  • Gigachad 2 hours ago
                    On iOS you can’t use usb anyway. Even an actual app can’t use usb outside of the wrapper APIs for file access and stuff. So it doesn’t really matter what safari supports here. And on macOS you can use any browser you want.
      • leptons 12 hours ago
        That's nonsense. You have to opt-in on any website that is requesting USB access, just like every other useful but potentially privacy-risky browser API.

        Plenty of sites ask for camera access, and that is typically a USB device. Plenty of sites ask for microphone accesss, which can be a USB device. And even if those aren't always USB devices, they are still very much a privacy risk that browsers all allow. USB access is no different, a website can't just do whatever it wants, you have to give it permission to use it first. And it doesn't have to be all-or-nothing either, it could be implemented to allow the browser to access only specific USB devices.

        Apple is holding back progress in favor of profit. They profit when developers are forced to create a native app where Apple can extract 30% of revenue through the app.

        • Gigachad 11 hours ago
          It's not about if the camera is a USB device or not, it's about what the capabilities being exposed is. Web browsers aren't just handing over the webcam as an arbitrary USB device, they are presenting a media stream from them. Which means they can't for example send arbitrary commands, flash firmware, or do any of the infinite things a USB device might present.
          • leptons 9 hours ago
            I don't care?

            I'm not giving any old website access to all of my USB devices. I'd expect to give a website I trust access to a specific USB device. I'm not sure why you think this has to be a willy-nilly free-access-to-everything feature.

            Yes, I want to give access to site XYZ to a product purchased from site XYZ to do amazing things over WebUSB.

            If that isn't the current spec, then change the spec so it's good.

            But Apple just doesn't give a single shit to propose any changes because doing so would hurt their precious app store just a little bit.

    • cosmic_cheese 15 hours ago
      Mozilla doesn’t want it either.
      • leptons 12 hours ago
        I don't really think what Mozilla says is relevant, they are so cash-strapped I would not doubt that Apple pays them to have a negative opinion about new web APIs just so people like you can say "Mozilla doesn't want it either".
  • randusername 16 hours ago
    what the heck we're not in web 1.0 anymore are we
  • simoncion 14 hours ago
    Oh neat. v86 is mentioned in the FOSDEM 2025 slides [0] for another wasm port of QEMU. Interesting that what appears to be v86's inability to run x86 executables didn't fuck you.

    I wonder why the decision wasn't made to use the network sharing features of SANE and CUPS, instead of requiring one to use Chrome due to the WebUSB dependency. Seems to me that you'd have a way more general solution if you could usefully deploy your VM both in any major web browser and as a standalone program.

    [0] <https://archive.fosdem.org/2025/events/attachments/fosdem-20...>

    • gmac 14 hours ago
      Can you elaborate on how using the network sharing features of CUPS would let you achieve the same thing (printing to old USB printers) in any major web browser?
      • simoncion 14 hours ago
        Given your commercial aspirations, I'm happy to consult on your project as a paid contractor.
        • gmac 13 hours ago
          Fair enough! I just don’t think I fully understand what you’re suggesting.
          • simoncion 12 hours ago
            > I just don’t think I fully understand what you’re suggesting.

            Sure, sure.

            Like I said, given your commercial (and closed-source) aspirations, I'm happy to consult on your project as a paid contractor. Doing work for free on a closed-source for-profit project is neither interesting nor in my interest.

            • amaccuish 5 hours ago
              I dont understand what you're suggesting either given the whole point was to avoid having separate hw).

              And if you're not going to spell it out due to your morals, don't comment.

  • hulitu 18 hours ago
    Another AI add.
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  • redeeman 18 hours ago
    surely a glorious OS like osx would not be without support for hardware that linux supports? when will it be year of osx desktop?
    • akdev1l 17 hours ago
      wdym?

      OSX has literally always been supported only on very limited hardware so how would it support anything else?

      • redeeman 16 hours ago
        did you read what this is about? support for a printer people buy in stores. the kinda thing people expect working?
        • akdev1l 9 hours ago
          Oh I thought you were referring to the VM part

          Anyway Apple created CUPS so it should support anything Linux does when it comes to printing

          edit: looks like they didn’t create it, they just hired the guy who did and shipped it

  • steve-atx-7600 7 hours ago
    If you value reliability and have other things to do besides maintaining a Linux machine, I recommend https://www.decisivetactics.com/products/printopia/ for Mac OS (works on Tahoe). I scrapped my Linux box, got a Mac mini for a home server, and use printopia (not the pro version, just the buy it once individual version) for using my 2 10-20 year old printers on my lan. Can even air print to them.

    I used to do this with Linux and it was a huge pain in the ass. Lowest common denominator and buggy driver support (duplex printing silently fails, old hp all in one works until the next Ubuntu major upgrade which introduces the odd impossible to debug cups problem or two).

    For a Mac OS server based scanning solution, I attach my client Mac to my Mac mini server using https://www.virtualhere.com/.

    • george916a 6 hours ago
      It’s pretty easy now days on Linux. Including AirPrint bridging to legacy (even real old) printers.