14 comments

  • WillAdams 1 day ago
    I wish WriteNow was similarly available/supported --- it was probably one of the last major applications written in assembly language (~100,000 lines).

    XyWrite is supported in a similar fashion: https://mendelson.org/xywin.html (but I just helped folks use that, never actually found it comfortable myself).

    I kind of wish all these small/tight/efficient programs could be gathered up and ported to an optimized OS for the Raspberry Pi....

    • bombcar 1 day ago
      It's too bad the architecture is different, a Raspberry Pi compatible with peak Win98SE software would be an amazing low-power computer.

      There were tons of amazingly well-made commercial software packages that have just been lost to time; in a large part due to open-source and other free options getting "good enough" - but many had features that simply don't exist anymore.

      • shakna 1 day ago
        I used to run Wordstar 2.0 under Wine, and it was smooth. 3d Museum, Dancing Hearts, etc. will 'just work'.

        That Raspberry probably can run all the peak Win98SE stuff, today.

  • manoDev 4 days ago
    The list of features is impressive even today!

    https://tempus-word.de/en/info/index

    • drcongo 1 day ago
      Those were the glory days of word processors, I used to have something similar on the Amiga. I'd still rather write on something like this than Word, Pages or Google Docs.
      • scherlock 1 day ago
        At least Word has an outline mode, GDocs is the worst. A text editor with markdown support is better than GDocs.
        • VerifiedReports 1 day ago
          Word's outline mode is a sham. You can't export the text in the outline format. Stupid AF.

          Word used to be a great product. Today it's a shambolic testament to incompetent design and dereliction.

        • Cockbrand 1 day ago
          Google Docs is in fact a text editor with Markdown support, see https://support.google.com/docs/answer/12014036
        • rbanffy 1 day ago
          I don’t remember seeing the outline function on the online version of Word.
          • thom 1 day ago
            It’s maddening that the Windows, macOS, iOS and web versions of Word all have completely random subsets of functionality.
      • TacticalCoder 9 hours ago
        > I used to have something similar on the Amiga

        Same, don't remember the name though. But it was WYSIWIG and I'd use it to create character sheets for our D&D games. And then I'd print them on a dot-matrix printer on continuous paper. Oh the memories!

        • hdaz0017 5 hours ago
          PageSetter 2/3 (can't remember which version got me my first job, from a cover disk), Page Stream 3, Professional Page :)
    • mmooss 1 day ago
      "Tempus-Word NG uses a generally different data structure than other text processing applications. Because of this, Tempus-Word NG can handle documents with more than 1000 pages with almost the same speed that it does with one with ten pages. The number of pages and speed are only limited by the available memory and processor speed. To achieve good results, you should use an ATARI with minimum 8 MB memory and 16 MHz, PC with 300 MHz and 64 MB, or comparable Mac. If you want to use huge dictionaries or many images, more memory is always useful."

      Does anyone know what data structure? Why not use it in modern word processors?

      The other features are impressive too:

      * Tempus-Word NG is based on a frame orientated layout similar to DTP programs. But contrasted to the usual method of “draw frame - connect frames - flow text” you create a general frame layout that is used automatically during text input. The positions of all layed-out frames is repeated automatically on all pages with this layout. You can create as many layouts as you want.

      * Integrated Database

      * Document manager

      * Page numbering of Contents and Index listings are always up to date.

  • tjansen 1 day ago
    The ST had some awesome productivity programs. Tempus Word, Papyrus, Calamus... All running on a 8 Mhz computer with 1 or 2 MB, but with feature sets that do not need to hide from today's software.
    • mhd 1 day ago
      People doing DTP with Calamus on their Ataris stuck around for a long time after the systems weren't used for much else – MIDI tooling excepted, of course.

      On the other hand, there you didn't have that many powerful packages on any system, besides Quark & the various Adobe tools du jour everything paled in comparison.

      For word processing, being forced to use Word was/is usually worse than for DTP, though. But feature-wise, everything seemed to converge during the 90s, so "having" to use Word instead of e.g. WordPerfect was less and less of an issue.

      With some exceptions of course, most famously GRRM and other people who got into things very early sticking with the first thing they learned (i.e. WordStar), or apparently some journalists being really into XyWrite.

      • buescher 1 day ago
        It's not surprising that people who write professionally would learn one tool to the point it gets out of the way and then not want to change. It's not just sticking with the first thing they learned - there's a constant churn of "tools for distraction-free writing" that address some of the complaints that people that still use older word processors have about more up-to-date systems.

        Once you know the pattern, every so often you'll see a piece about a writer or journalist and the funky software they use and you can just wait for it... it's going to be Wordstar, XyWrite, one of the XEDIT editors, sometimes Wordperfect for DOS. Rarely Word for DOS. Neal Stephenson uses emacs, but he's an outlier in a lot of ways. I think there was a piece linked here recently by a journalist who uses the macOS TextEdit for note-taking, which dates back to NeXSTEP. (not exactly the same thing, but consider)

      • p_l 1 day ago
        Late 1990s supposedly a considerable extension on use of Macs for DTP was that Quark could get significantly automated with AppleScript, and some publishing houses had non-trivial workflows done that way to reduce time spent on preparation.
      • AlecSchueler 1 day ago
        DTP? GRRM?
        • bux93 1 day ago
          DeskTop Publishing - WYSIWYG design of printed matter (What You See Is What You Get) on PC(Personal Computer)s.

          George R.R. Martin (No idea about the Rs), author of A Song of Ice and Fire which was adapted into Game of Thrones.

  • m-i-l 1 day ago
    I used ST Writer which came bundled with my ST. I still have all my ST Writer files (last modified in 1993!), and quite impressively they open just fine in LibreOffice with formatting and everything preserved (unlike some later .doc files I have).
    • p_l 1 day ago
      .DOC was never meant to be interoperable, even across Word versions (much), you were supposed to save "final" or "exchange" versions in RTF :)
    • klondike_klive 1 day ago
      That is genuinely remarkable! Even indentation?
      • m-i-l 1 day ago
        Yes. Just opened some files to check. There was one including a table which I thought at first was a little wonky, but then I realised the column that looked off had currency where I'd right aligned on the decimal point, so even that seems to have been preserved!
  • prmoustache 1 day ago
    Their non cookie popup is the perfect example how user cookies should be managed.

    https://tempus-word.de/en/impress/policy#the-website

  • Brajeshwar 1 day ago
    Ah. You will also like another story that popped up here some time back.

    A Canadian science-fiction writer, Robert J. Sawyer, made an Archive available complete with extensive resources on how to use it. In addition, fully text-searchable PDFs of the original manuals, totaling over 1,000 pages, were also available. He is a dedicated WordStar user.

    https://sfwriter.com/ws7.htm

    • lproven 8 hours ago
      And my USB-DOS project includes it, for a complete environment you can boot and run direct from USB, without installation, on any PC which supports legacy boot.

      https://github.com/lproven/usb-dos

  • jaffa2 2 days ago
    I used to use First Word on the ST back in the day.
  • qsi 1 day ago
    I still have the printed documentation and floppy for Tempus, the editor which I think is the predecessor to the linked word processor. It was blazing fast because it had been written in 68000 assembly IIRC. Even then it would handle giant documents with ease.
    • mmooss 1 day ago
      You might contact the OP and see if they want the floppy or manual.
  • outofmyshed 1 day ago
    ST Writer was freeware and did the job, but Tempus was gold standard, even better than 1st Word Plus.
    • gmac 1 day ago
      Huh, 1st Word Plus was what I had! Sudden recollection of pressing a rhombus-shaped F10 key to reflow after editing ...
  • Beijinger 1 day ago
    There is another one still alive today: https://papyrus.de/en/

    I don't use it. But i tried an old version and it was fast as f...

    It is written now in C++

  • lloydatkinson 1 day ago
    Wasn’t there a post a few weeks ago by the author of it?
  • RobotToaster 2 days ago
    I wonder why they don't just make it open source at this point?
    • prmoustache 1 day ago
      Apparently they still hope to make a bit of money out of it:

      "I never had a license! Well, even then you can have one - if you absolutely want to. . Depending on your bid, we will then contact you." https://tempus-word.de/en/download/index

      I guess they found out they make out more that way than setting up a ko-fi account. It also insures the soft and its legacy doesn't become bloated over time. It is also possible that given it uses old tech (GEM) and probably assembly code, the software as it is would not be more easily portable than it is now using emulators.

      • pdw 1 day ago
        I think that's out of date. The banner at the top of the page says "you can request a free license for version 5.4 from us." According to archive.org that was added later than the text you quoted, somewhere between 2022 and 2024.
    • Maken 1 day ago
      Maybe they never got the source code or the license to distribute it. This is not the original company after all.
    • Aldipower 1 day ago
      Usage of licensed 3rd-party libraries for example!
    • carlosjobim 1 day ago
      Why should they? It's their work, not for others to steal.
  • nosianu 1 day ago
    I used Application System Heidelberg's Script II on an Atari 1040STFM with 72 Hz SM 124 black/white monitor and an Epson LQ 550 24 pin printer. That was some superb publishing system for the time (1991), for a low budget.

    1 MB RAM, 1.44 MB floppy drive

    SM 124: 640x400 pixels, monochrome

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST https://www.atarimuseum.de/1040st.htm

    The software used a special driver to get better than standard quality from the then most common 24 pin printers (laser printers where much expensive) by kind of double-printing, I forgot the details. It looked really good though.

    https://www.planetemu.net/screenshots/Atari%20ST%20-%20Appli...

    https://stcarchiv.de/tos/1990/11/script-2 (German)

    "Script" was the cheap version of their better product "Signum".

    https://www.application-systems.de/signum/screenshots.html

    https://www.atariuptodate.de/img/signum.png

    • qsi 1 day ago
      Signum! (don't forget the exclamation point!) was an amazing piece of software. The key to its incredible print quality: carefully hand-crafted pixel fonts with incredible attention to detail.

      With a 24-pin printer the output beat vector fonts on a 300dpi laser printer at the time. The actual resolution was higher than a single pass of printing with the 24 pins. Signum! would advance the print head in minute amounts and overprint to achieve its remarkable quality.

      Printing a single page at maximum quality took a while... Think minutes per page instead of pages per minute. But it was very impressive.

      Fond memories!

    • m-i-l 1 day ago
      > "The software used a special driver to get better than standard quality from the then most common 24 pin printers (laser printers where much expensive) by kind of double-printing, I forgot the details. It looked really good though."

      In opening up a few ancient files to answer another question about formatting, I found some long forgotten notes on how to make my Epson LQ400 24 pin printer work at 360dpi rather 180dpi, which may have been the same for you: First you had to install it as a NEC 24-pin 360dpi printer rather than 180dpi printer. Then, because it used fonts of half the size, you needed to switch fonts. So I had two fonts disks, one with 180dpi installed fonts and one with 360dpi fonts, and used the ASSIGN.SYS file to switch between them. It also seems to have taken twice as long to print out at 360dpi, and used twice as much printer ribbon:-)

      • bombcar 1 day ago
        I remember some printers had a "draft" mode and a "fine" mode (and you could simulate the fine even on those that didn't by printing, and then carefully going back and printing again but off by a tiny, tiny bit vertically).
    • billygoat 1 day ago
      I'm curious: the "Script" screenshot looks like it's using standard GEM Desktop, while the "Signum" is some other desktop. Are these both for ST? Was Signum written using some other full-screen graphic environment?
      • qsi 1 day ago
        Signum! was highly opinionated. It ran on the Atari ST but did its own thing for the user interface. You could access a lower layer of drawing primitives and obviate GEM. In those days multitasking did not exist.

        There were a good number of these kinds of application back then. Steve was one, GFA Basic another.

    • Thoreandan 1 day ago
      Similar technique was used in Daisy Dot II

      https://www.atarimagazines.com/v7n3/daisydot2.php

  • NetMageSCW 4 days ago
    English not their first language?
    • qsi 1 day ago
      Some of the best ST software came from Germany, where the it had a high market share driven by DTP applications. IIRC at one point the ST had a bigger installed DTP base in Germany than the Mac.

      There was an annual fair in Düsseldorf, the Atari ST Messe, which was impressive in its size. I went for several years in a row until the ST sadly started losing its relevance.

    • stockerta 3 days ago
      What is so surprising about that?
    • celsius1414 4 days ago
      tempus-word.de