Stargaze: SpaceX's Space Situational Awareness System

(starlink.com)

139 points | by hnburnsy 12 hours ago

12 comments

  • pjscott 9 hours ago
    Honestly, these two paragraphs are one of the most compelling things they could possibly say in a press release:

    > Stargaze already has a proven track record in its utility for space safety. In late 2025, a Starlink satellite encountered a conjunction with a third-party satellite that was performing maneuvers, but whose operator was not sharing ephemeris. Until five hours before the conjunction, the close approach was anticipated to be ~9,000 meters—considered a safe miss-distance with zero probability of collision. With just five hours to go, the third-party satellite performed a maneuver which changed its trajectory and collapsed the anticipated miss distance to just ~60 meters. Stargaze quickly detected this maneuver and published an updated trajectory to the screening platform, generating new CDMs which were immediately distributed to relevant satellites. Ultimately, the Starlink satellite was able to react within an hour of the maneuver being detected, planning an avoidance maneuver to reduce collision risk back down to zero.

    > With so little time to react, this would not have been possible by relying on legacy radar systems or high-latency conjunction screening processes. If observations of the third-party satellite were less frequent, conjunction screening took longer, or the reaction required human approval, such an event might not have been successfully mitigated.

    Looks like a non-trivial upgrade to previous systems, and they're making Stargaze's data available to other satellite operators free of charge. Nice!

    • c22 3 hours ago
      It will be interesting when multiple parties are using these systems and still failing to communicate out of band. Like trying to pass someone in a hallway who keeps trying to make the same course correction as you until you both make eye contact and come to a real agreement.
    • close04 2 hours ago
      > they're making Stargaze's data available to other satellite operators free of charge

      With so many Starlink satellites odds are that one false move on anyone's part ends up in an incident involving them. Sharing this data makes the field safer for everyone, and Starlink gets to steer clear of any bad news titles.

    • Coeur 4 hours ago
      Now I would really love to know who the other operator was.
      • NitpickLawyer 3 hours ago
        > In a statement posted on social media late Dec. 12, Michael Nicolls, vice president of Starlink engineering at SpaceX, said a satellite launched on a Kinetica-1 rocket from China two days earlier passed within 200 meters of a Starlink satellite.

        > CAS Space, the Chinese company that operates the Kinetica-1 rocket, said in a response that it was looking into the incident and that its missions “select their launch windows using the ground-based space awareness system to avoid collisions with known satellites/debris.” The company later said the close approach occurred nearly 48 hours after payload separation, long after its responsibilities for the launch had ended.

        > The satellite from the Chinese launch has yet to be identified and is listed only as “Object J” with the NORAD identification number 67001 in the Space-Track database. The launch included six satellites for Chinese companies and organizations, as well as science and educational satellites from Egypt, Nepal and the United Arab Emirates.

        • ge96 2 hours ago
          > 48 hours after payload separation, long after its responsibilities for the launch had ended

          This is funny, the way things are just discarded in space, not our problem anymore vs. deorbit

          • panzagl 1 hour ago
            I think this is more that the offending satellite was at that point the responsibility of the satellite operator, not the launch operator.
          • NitpickLawyer 1 hour ago
            I think they are saying "this is not on us, this is on the sat operator". Which may or may not be true, who knows.
          • IncreasePosts 10 minutes ago
            If you get hit by a car 5 minutes after you get let off at a bus stop it isn't the bus drivers fault.
      • jacquesm 4 hours ago
        And what the goal of that maneuver was.
        • phkahler 1 hour ago
          It seems like it deliberately came close to the Starlink sat, but the "why" is still a good question.
          • bell-cot 1 hour ago
            A test SpaceX's awareness & response would be ample reason.
        • ge96 2 hours ago
          Cause problems and deny it
  • neom 1 hour ago
    I was kinda hoping the collision risk stuff might be what stops the sky quickly getting totally polluted. This is cool but... I presume just enables more and more and more density.
  • thatjoeoverthr 2 hours ago
    Kessler problems require Kessler solutions
  • Hextinium 10 hours ago
    Seems like a generally good idea, the satellites already need to use star trackers, they need an almanac of what should be there so deviations need to be tracked.

    I can entirely see the military perspective though, this is almost a direct challenge for any adversary that any maneuver you perform, we will know about it.

    • reed1234 9 hours ago
      The Space Force already tracks satellites (and debris). I imagine this is more of an improvement for small debris such as bolts, etc.
      • sfblah 8 hours ago
        It's not.
        • pjscott 8 hours ago
          If you're familiar with the technical specs, I'd be interested in hearing what size of objects the star trackers can sense and at what range. In theory the fancier star trackers can see objects around 10 cm diameter hundreds of kilometers away, without needing to worry about a pesky atmosphere [1], but I don't know how sensitive the sensors on Starlink's current generation satellites are, and this web site isn't saying.

          They're mostly touting the improvement in latency over existing tracking, from delays measured in hours to ones measured in minutes. Which is very nice, of course, but the lack of other technical detail is mildly frustrating.

          [1] https://www.mit.edu/~hamsa/pubs/ShtofenmakherBalakrishnan-IA...

          • jcims 1 hour ago
            Note from analysis in the paper: (CST = Commercial Star Tracker, for which they model several common ones flown on satellites)

            >From Fig. 1, it is clear that many typical CSTs can be used to detect debris with characteristic length less than 10 cm at distances as far as roughly 50 km. These same sensors have the potential to detect debris as small as 1 cm in diameter as far as 5 km away. Even space-limited CubeSats using nanosatellite-class CSTs can detect 10-cm-class debris at roughly 25 km away or 1-cm-class debris at a distance of 2.5 km. Higher-performing imagers like the MOST telescope can further characterize orbital debris of 10 cm diameter as far as 400 km away or be used to characterize orbital debris smaller than 1 cm at ranges not exceeding 40 km.

          • mikkupikku 7 hours ago
            NASA tracks debris 10cm or larger. They also detect and statistically estimate debris as small as 3mm in LEO.

            This is my source, from 2021 fwiw: https://oig.nasa.gov/office-of-inspector-general-oig/ig-21-0...

            • wolvoleo 4 hours ago
              10cm is huge, that could even be a functioning 1U cubesat.
            • pjscott 7 hours ago
              So it looks to be just the latency improvement that's noteworthy, then. Thank you!
              • sfblah 7 hours ago
                Yes. Sorry for the brief answer. Too bad I got downvoted. There's no size improvement.
  • w10-1 6 hours ago
    This seems necessary and desirable, but pretty much a government function. I can't see how simple good-faith cooperation prevents abuse.

    Possible abuses:

    (1) Use the information to actually interfere or collide with satellites

    (2) Use the information to track secret satellites by excluding traces from non-secret ones

    (3) Free riders gaining secondary access without providing data

    (4) Use access to this when traffic is more contended to enforce hegemony

    (5) Anti-competitive coordination under the rubric of cooperation

    And while the system might be helpful under ordinary peacetime conditions, will it make a war more or less destructive?

    It's silly that NASA is planning for Mars and the moon but hasn't already solved this coordination problem on a world scale.

    • notahacker 1 hour ago
      NASA already provides publicly accessible tracking data. They don't have 30,000 star trackers in orbit though, whereas the world's largest satellite constellation does and therefore has a lot more data points.
    • nlitened 5 hours ago
      As far as I understand, bad faith actors already have wide possibilities for disruption and abuse. This system allows for better good-faith coordination for mutual benefit.
  • user3939382 2 hours ago
    DARPA from long back had a project for tracking space debris related to this. I have an impossibility proof and some other math after many years of thinking about this problem which proves that what they really need (and have explicitly asked for) is impossible but also how theoretically close to it we could get. Hoping to publish soon but working on other things.
  • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 6 hours ago
    Damn it. I wanted to use that name
  • wtcactus 8 hours ago
    "To maximize safety for all satellites in space, SpaceX will be making Stargaze conjunction data available to all operators, free of charge, via its space-traffic management platform."

    Many people don't still realize it, but the problem of low orbit debris is only getting worse. So, this is a really nice gesture. Thank you, Elon Musk.

    • iNic 6 hours ago
      The one advantage of monopolies is that they tend the commons.
      • uyzstvqs 6 hours ago
        You're free to start your own space exploration company.
        • dmd 1 hour ago
          Er, no, you're not. That's the big problem with monopolies that execute regulatory capture.
    • lionkor 8 hours ago
      It sounds like a hook, like "don't like all the space debris? use our management platform" and then it'll suddenly start costing money
      • bigfatkitten 6 hours ago
        SpaceX has a very, very large financial interest in avoiding collisions. Providing this service helps ensure that.
        • wtcactus 5 hours ago
          Several governments have an even bigger interest in avoiding these collisions, so, these systems should have existed for decades now.

          But, you can always trust the government to spend 10x more to do 10x worst...

          • notahacker 1 hour ago
            The US already provides publicly accessible conjunction avoidance data based on data points they have. They don't have the same number of satellites in the sky to make real time observations in as many different directions though.
          • mikkupikku 4 hours ago
            > so, these systems should have existed for decades now.

            Dubious. Perhaps if Congress could be persuaded to invest in tons of radio telescopes / radars, positioned all around the world, but good luck with that. The space-based approach used by SpaceX is something that presently only SpaceX is equipped to implement. Tracking star conjunctions only gives you high quality data on space debris / satellite maneuvers if you have a huge net of star trackers in orbit, and that's something which only SpaceX has been able to do.

  • Fricken 3 hours ago
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    • bryant 3 hours ago
      I get the emotion behind this comment (and the previous one you deleted), but putting leadership credit where it's due, 99.999% of the operational and strategic leadership at SpaceX is Gwynne Shotwell's.

      She's essentially the CEO, even if not in title. And she does a great job isolating and insulating SpaceX and its staff from the specific tilts of its named CEO.

      • LightBug1 2 hours ago
        I 100% agree with that. Shotwell appears to be one of those few great leaders that don't appear to have the need for adulation at every turn (unlike the founder). Musk is lucky to have her.

        However, the combined talents of her and her team, the profits they generate, and their accumulated incredible achievements all still accrue to the benefit of said N'azi.

    • t1234s 2 hours ago
      Your thinking of Fairchild Industries.
    • soiax 2 hours ago
      No, you dumb fuck
      • Fricken 2 hours ago
        [flagged]
        • soiax 1 hour ago
          Yeah dude .. if you say it multiple times, and louder, it must be true. That would make it a nazi company, right.
  • globalnode 9 hours ago
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    • navigate8310 8 hours ago
      Would this sort of operational prowess be possible if it weren't for Musk? Will the future be kind and reflect back in the hindsight when Musk dies?
      • moritonal 4 hours ago
        I think it should. Hate it or not he has a proven ability to create environments where people thrive and want to work the hardest they ever have. Moreover, an ability to understand how much money is required to build something alongside the daring to actually try it. Again, I wish he never got into politics, but generally he knows how to build things people want, and uniquely wants to try.
      • globalnode 5 hours ago
        > Will the future be kind and reflect back in the hindsight when Musk dies?

        id hazard a guess and say it will, people love to hero worship but he's his own biggest fan. nothing he built wasnt done before in some way. if im being generous id say hes a good integrator of tech, which in itself isnt such a bad thing, if thats all it was.

    • comboy 8 hours ago
      better stay out of biography books
    • alphabetag675 8 hours ago
      I wonder what you have to say about our new generation fertilizers and vaccines.
    • Culonavirus 8 hours ago
      I usually don't comment on politically charged topics (because I don't shit where I eat), but the amount of champagne socialists around here is borderline Reddit and its negatively influencing the discoverability of the news I'm coming here to see.

      Like... SpaceX is the world leader in rocket and satellite tech. This site is supposed to be about tech. Not to mention that the article itself is really interesting. Yet you come in here and dump your musky load like it's a public toilet. What the hell is wrong with you.

    • sidcool 8 hours ago
      I was just having this discussion in the other thread where people were blatantly lying about Tesla because they hate Elon Musk. Hate him all you want, but his companies are truly successful.
      • sfblah 8 hours ago
        I was just thinking about that the other day while relaxing in my Hyperloop pod from Los Angeles to San Francisco. I was reminiscing about how I'd avoided all the traffic in LA by using the Boring Company's tunnels in my second-generation Tesla Roadster. I'd been in LA for a conference about the hugely successful Starship space launch system, which has revolutionized cost to orbit with fully reusable second stages. When I got to San Francisco, I hopped in a Tesla fully self-driving robotaxi, and when I got home, my Optimus robot served me tea after I instructed it to do so using my Neuralink probe. I then sent a video voicemail to my parents, who live in a city of 1 million people on Mars, which has recently been terraformed. I flipped on CNN and was gratified to see that, for the first time in 25 years, the US government was operating at a surplus, thanks to the $2T of annual savings delivered by DOGE.
    • soiax 8 hours ago
      There it is... the usual ELON MUSK BAD.
  • drivingmenuts 10 hours ago
    Who knew that Big Brother would name himself after a 1990s movie about a completely different premise?