10 comments

  • al_borland 2 hours ago
    It might be time to update the mission statement.

    “Our mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful”

    https://about.google/company-info/

    • zb3 1 hour ago
      * for us, advertisers and our AI models
      • ern_ave 1 hour ago
        My guess is that AI training is the main issue.

        Data that you can prove was generated by humans is now exceedingly valuable ...and most of that comes from the days before LLMs. The situation is a bit like how steel manufactured before the nuclear age is valuable.

        • adamnemecek 1 hour ago
          But why would people train on excerpts from Google Books when whole books can be downloaded on libgen and such?
  • abetusk 2 hours ago
    Anna's Archive [0]:

    > The largest truly open library in human history

    [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna%27s_Archive

  • xorsula1 2 hours ago
    My guess is they detected being scraped and did this as preventive measure.
    • Andrex 39 minutes ago
      My guess is they're cozier with publishers now than 20 years ago when they fought all the way to SCOTUS.

      "Hey, remove search?"

      "OK, it was costing money anyways."

    • breppp 1 hour ago
      my guess is that the copyright landscape changed due to AI training, and these publishers won't let Google use that data anymore
      • adamnemecek 1 hour ago
        The books are still there, it seems like the rankings have changed though.
  • pessimizer 4 minutes ago
    Google Books is long dead. If you click on the author's name in one of the results, it will search inauthor:"Author's Name" and this search will return garbage because it chokes on double quotes. This has been true for at least a couple of years; Google Books is not compatible with itself. Changing the double quotes to single quotes fixes it. Also, lately, when you filter only for books that have Full View some results that have Full View get dropped for no intelligible reason.

    Nobody is looking at it. I wouldn't be surprised if the preview search was switched off by accident.

    For me Books is only useful (and it is very useful) for books out of copyright, 100+ years old. Sometimes they aren't at archive.org.

    I hate Google, but I think it's a bit absurd to criticize them on this if somehow it's over AI. The only reason Google created Books may even have been AI, but they were hoping to have the books open to everyone, and the publishers and authors whose full text is being blocked are literally the people who stopped it from happening. Maybe they spoke up about AI, too. I find it even hard to even criticize that Google doesn't take care of Books - it has no purpose or profit potential for them anymore, it's obviously charity that they don't take it down completely.

  • bryanrasmussen 1 hour ago
    Since I pretty much only use Google Books for public domain books, old magazines, and newspapers I haven't noticed any problem with it. Maybe it's not as dead as this person thinks.
  • mystraline 2 hours ago
    Thats easy.

    Check out library genesis, Anna's archive, and scihub for content.

    Piracy isnt theft if buying isnt ownership.

    • GorbachevyChase 1 hour ago
      Ironic those doing the most for making information open and accessible are the criminals.
      • al_borland 21 minutes ago
        A centuries old problem. Early translations of the Bible to English were illegal or required licenses.

        William Tyndale was put to death for translating the Bible into English, which would have been an act to make information open and accessible.

      • direwolf20 58 minutes ago
        Of course. When it's criminal to make information open and accessible, only criminals will make information open and accessible.
    • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
      None of these does full text search.
      • jszymborski 2 hours ago
        And they are under constant threat by nation states. sci-hub hasn't seen new papers in ages.
      • greenavocado 2 hours ago
        Build a local index
        • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
          My problem is finding references I don't know about.
      • droopyEyelids 2 hours ago
        • clueless 1 hour ago
          I'd wonder if you'd ever consider putting up a downloadable mirror of their full-text search db?
        • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
          Huh, the search is not amazing but it will have to do. Thanks! Are there others?
          • teraflop 1 hour ago
            The Internet Archive supports full-text search on (AFAIK) its entire scanned book collection, even books that aren't available for borrowing.
  • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
    The change happened on or around Jan 21. Overnight the results went from pretty good to absolute trash.

    Here are two screenshots taken on Jan 20 and Jan 23 https://bsky.app/profile/adamnemecek.bsky.social/post/3mdbup...

    They don't do full text search anymore esp for copyrighted books. I wonder if this is not a regression but an intent to give them a let up in the AI race.

    • toephu2 21 minutes ago
      Yup, it's for AI.

      Similarly, a year ago or so ChatGPT could summarize YouTube videos. Google put a stop to that so now only Gemini can summarize YouTube videos.

    • jeffbee 2 hours ago
      It isn't obvious why the left results are preferred over the right results.
      • advisedwang 2 hours ago
        The left results are contemporary, the right are decades old. That includes editions of the same book --- surely the newer edition is going to be preferred by most readers.
        • thaumasiotes 56 minutes ago
          > surely the newer edition is going to be preferred by most readers.

          Why? Where different editions exist, the reader will want to know which one they're getting, but they're unlikely to systematically prefer newer editions.

          But also, Google Books isn't aimed at "readers". You're not supposed to read books through it. It's aimed at searchers. Searchers are even less likely to prefer newer editions.

        • jeffbee 2 hours ago
          I guess. That's not immediately clear to me. However, browsing around on Google Books suggests to me that it is the corpus which changed, not the algorithms.
          • adamnemecek 2 hours ago
            The corpus is still the same, like searching the name of the book will find it, but the full text search.
  • kingstnap 2 hours ago
    My guess: Text search and indexing is expensive. And you are getting some kind of AI vector search instead.

    Which tends to be kind of poop compared to true text search.

  • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
    Title is: Google has seemingly entirely removed search functionality from most books on Google Books