12 comments

  • kankerlijer 50 minutes ago
    There are only two kinds of cloud regions: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses
  • yibers 2 hours ago
    Ass covering-wise, you are probably better off going down with everyone else on us-east-1. The not so fun alternative: being targeted during an RCA explaining why you chose some random zone no one ever heard of.
    • rconti 2 hours ago
      Places nobody's ever heard of like "Ohio" or "Oregon"?

      Yeah, I'm not worried about being targeted in an RCA and pointedly asked why I chose a region with way better uptime than `us-tirefire-1`.

      What _is_ worth considering is whether your more carefully considered region will perform better during an actual outage where some critical AWS resource goes down in Virginia, taking my region with it anyway.

      • xingped 35 minutes ago
        IIRC, some AWS services are solely deployed on and/or entirely dependent on us-east-1. I don't recall which ones, but I very distinctly remember this coming up once.
        • nothrabannosir 8 minutes ago
          CloudFront certificates
        • cj 31 minutes ago
          AWS IAM has caused multiple cross-region outages.
    • kristianc 53 minutes ago
      I find it funny that we see complaints about why software quality has got worse alongside people advocating to choose objectively risky AWS regions for career risk and blame minimisation reasons.
      • goalieca 50 minutes ago
        This was always the case. The OG saying was “no one got fired for buying IBM”. Then it was changed to Microsoft. And so on..
      • throwawaysleep 28 minutes ago
        They are for the same reason. How do customers react to either? If us-east-1 fails, nobody complains. If Microsoft uses a browser to render components on Windows and eats all of your RAM, nobody complains.
    • throwawaysleep 1 hour ago
      This to me was the real lesson of the outage. A us-east-1 outage is treated like bad weather. A regional outage can be blamed on the dev. us-east-1 is too big to get blamed, which is why it should be the region of choice for an employee.
      • dontdoxxme 1 hour ago
        Why aren't you using IBM cloud?
        • throwawaysleep 1 hour ago
          If IBM still had a good reputation, I probably would.
    • riffic 2 hours ago
      how about following the well-architected framework and building something with a suitable level of 9s where you can justify your decisions during a blameless postmortem (please stamp your buzzword bingo card for a prize.)
      • paradox460 2 hours ago
        We vibe code everything in flavor of the month node frameworks, tyvm, because elixir is too hard to hire for (or some equally inane excuse)
        • DANmode 2 hours ago
          I agree with your post conceptually.

          However: Don’t underestimate community support (in the areas you’re likely to want it) when comparing development stacks.

    • thejosh 2 hours ago
      Bandwidth cost is also another major reason.
  • noosphr 1 hour ago
    At 34 hours of downtime that's two nines of uptime

    At this point my garage is tied for reliability with us-east-1 largely because it got flooded 8 month ago.

  • nadis 1 hour ago
    Cackling while reading this visiting my family in Northern Virginia for the holidays. Despite it being a prominent place in the history of the web, it's still the least reliable AWS region (for now).
    • rayiner 53 minutes ago
      Its nice to know that where I grew up is Too Big to Fail lol.
  • therobots927 19 minutes ago
    Of course it is, all of the NSA men in the middle add a lot of overhead that can interfere with regular operations.
  • davidfstr 2 hours ago
    I intentionally avoid using us-east-1 for anything, since I’ve seen so many outages.
    • temp0826 1 hour ago
      us-east-1 is often a lynchpin for services worldwide. Something hinky happening to dns or dynamodb in us-east-1 will probably wreck your day regardless of where you set up shop.
  • david_shaw 3 hours ago
    Yes, it's the least reliable. Thanks for summarizing the data here to illustrate the issue.

    It's often seen as the "standard" or "default" region to use when spinning up new US-based AWS services, is the oldest AWS center, has the most interconnected systems, and likely has the highest average load.

    It makes sense that us-east-1 has reliability problems, but I wish Amazon was a little more upfront about some of the risks when choosing that zone.

    • Forgeties79 1 hour ago
      Nobody ever got fired for connecting to us-east-1
  • the__alchemist 1 hour ago
    I don't know if this is still true, or related, but that area used to be (Circa 10-30 years ago) very highly prone to power outages. The reason was lots of old trees near the lines that would inevitably fall; blackouts in local areas were common due to this.
  • emersonrsantos 55 minutes ago
    Glad to use us-west-2 for reasons.
  • arusahni 2 hours ago
    The sorting for the "Duration" column appears to be lexicographical, not numeric.
  • secondcoming 1 hour ago
    We get constant resource issues in GCP’s us-east4 region
  • theturtle 2 hours ago
    I searched for it, and did not find, the word "backhoe."

    Big fail.

    I have said for years, never ascribe to terrorism what can be attributed to some backhoe operator in Ashburn, Virginia.

    We got a lotta backhoes in northern Virginia.