16 comments

  • yuxt 53 days ago
    In the late 1980s, I went on an expedition along Kazakhstan's eastern shore of the Caspian Sea. One of our stops was supposed to be a fishing village, but when we got there, it was completely empty. Hundreds of mud huts sat abandoned as everyone had just disappeared. In one of the yards, a camel was still there. It felt haunting, like walking through a ghost town. The strangest part? There was no sea anywhere nearby! The Caspian had dried up so quickly that people had to leave their homes behind because they couldn’t live there anymore.
  • freefaler 52 days ago
    There is another very interesting field built over swamps and lakes in Siberia where they built the rigs on artificial islands.

    https://as2.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/01/99/42/41/1000_F_199424123_E5...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samotlor_Field?useskin=vector

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/nq28Ct4FLyBGx5eP8

    It was deemed too strategically important and was not put on maps.

  • abcd_f 53 days ago
    Doesn't appear on the satellite view in Google Maps. Just water.

    What's up with that?

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/dr71WrLZ7G97E5br9?g_st=ic

    • photochemsyn 53 days ago
      The issue of how the satellite data feed ends up censored is pretty interesting. Here's the probable central issue:

      > "While countries still reserve the right to withhold map data, the number of state and private companies that sell satellite images makes hiding the globe incredibly difficult. At the same time, this also means that state or non-state actors can beat private companies to the exclusive rights of a satellite image, meaning they can partially censor the image before others can license it."

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-21/why-large-parts-of-ea...

    • beejiu 53 days ago
      There's historical imaging on Google Earth https://earth.google.com/web/@40.24978465,50.87045099,-66.75...
      • wingworks 52 days ago
        Weirdly time lapse mode has a clearer image of it.
    • Elfener 53 days ago
      Interesting. It's not just the oil rig itself, the whole lake's satellite view is the same blue colour, while other bodies of water are more detailed.
      • pxeger1 53 days ago
        Oceans, plus I guess the Caspian Sea, don’t get much satellite coverage because no one (except militaries) wants it enough. For the ocean, Google Maps uses bathymetry data to synthesise shaded blue imagery. The Caspian in particular I guess is such a uniform colour either because it’s so shallow that Google’s shading algorithm doesn’t shade it at all? (Compare to the northwesternmost parts of the Adriatic Sea, for example)
        • jcrawfordor 53 days ago
          A big issue here too is the image stitching; aerial images are registered for big tile maps based in part on feature analysis of the edges and that just never works right for images of the ocean (mostly you have waves, and they're in different places in each image). Even if you register it perfectly the waves ensure that the edges will still have stitching artifacts. As a result the "false color" oceans that Google Maps shows just look better than actual imagery.

          The "imagery" source for the oceans in Google Maps is (or at least was) GEBCO, it's a global bathymetric dataset made by registering depth sounding tracks from mostly commercial vessels. I thought maybe GEBCO didn't cover the caspian sea but it looks like it does for the last decade or so, but admittedly it seems to be data from just one survey and it's tagged as limited quality (at least in older versions of the dataset), so maybe Google ignores it.

      • alephnerd 53 days ago
        Products like Google Maps stitch satellite and aerial photos together to make a cohesive image.

        There's no reason to spend tens of thousands of dollars on getting precise images in the middle of a sea or ocean from Maxar so a low-res image is more than enough.

        Also, most of the high-res images you see of regions on Google Earth or Maps tends to come from aerial photography, not satellites.

        These products will also update the images every couple months to years. For example, you could see the aftermath of the Donetsk airport battle and Homs Siege in Google Maps in 2014-15, but not anymore.

        • MichaelZuo 53 days ago
          It’s not a low-res image… because the oil rig city would still be blurry but somewhat visible, it’s a no-res image, entirely generated with no connection to reality.
    • mastax 52 days ago
      Google Maps' satellite photography only extends a bit into seas, where it transitions to bathymetric data. It looks like the Caspian Sea doesn't have any bathymetric data though, which is strange. Even the great lakes have it.
    • monort 52 days ago
  • ffsoftboiled 57 days ago
  • rramadass 57 days ago
    • Symbiote 53 days ago
      And a satellite map: https://maps.yandex.com/?ll=50.858333,40.236111&spn=0.1,0.1&...

      (Only Yandex seems to have imagery, the other services cut it out as it's too far offshore.)

      • spacesanjeet 53 days ago
        That is hands down one of the coolest maps I have come across. Thanks a lot for sharing.
      • ant6n 52 days ago
        You can get walking directions, it’s about 9.5km end-to-end along the furthest connected points. Looks like the roads going further out have collapsed.
  • timonoko 53 days ago
    What was the Soviet film about hero Komissar riding around on a motocycle on those bridges and fixing all kinds of problems?
  • mleonhard 52 days ago
    Here's another article about Neft Daşları with more photos: https://web.archive.org/web/20240225112359/https://guerrilla...

    Bing Maps shows the bridges and some platforms with good resolution: https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=40.061519%7E49.607735&lvl=12.0&...

    Yandex Maps shows the constellation of isolated platforms to the south-east: https://yandex.com/maps/?l=sat%2Cskl&ll=49.630795%2C40.03939...

  • itronitron 53 days ago
    They could call it "Wet Texas"
  • thoughtpeddler 51 days ago
    Isn't this where those scenes from James Bond 007's World is Not Enough were shot?
  • pornel 52 days ago
    This looks like an exploit in a city-building game — spam the map with bridges, get free oil.
  • shawn_w 53 days ago
    When did CNN get a paywall?
  • malomalsky 53 days ago
    Motherbase from mgs5
    • wayvey 53 days ago
      Came to say exactly that, similar vibe
  • orbital-decay 53 days ago
    >When filmmaker Marc Wolfensberger first found out about Neft Daşları, he thought it was a myth. He kept hearing about this secretive city

    In what way it was secretive or a myth?? There were multiple books and movies about it, it was a major job source and a ton of people worked there.

  • 1oooqooq 53 days ago
    most people ignore wwii was decided on baku.

    it was the reason for Barbarossa, the first Germany defeat, and it was the only way Germany could replenish the oil used on the Russian offensive, which forced them to squeeze the polish camps dry. they lost it one baku.

    it was also where most modern billionaires made their fortune.

    • frenchy 53 days ago
      > the first Germany defeat

      Assuming you're talking about stategic defeats, I'm pretty sure the Battle of Britain was earlier. Possibbly North Africa too, but that's more debatable.

    • Arainach 53 days ago
      >was also where most modern billionaires made their fortune

      Could you explain this claim?

      • palmfacehn 53 days ago
        The Baku oil fields were capitalized by the Rothschild banking dynasty, which was already immensely wealthy before the oil age. Perhaps others will weigh in, but as I recall this was in response to the fabulous wealth Rockefeller was realizing in the United States. Petroleum had always been present around Baku and elsewhere, but it hadn't been exploited on the same industrial scale. It was sometimes regarded as an inconvenience which devalued land.
        • kjellsbells 53 days ago
          Exactly so. A really good, very readable book on this and oil in general is Daniel Yergin's The Prize.
          • mistrial9 53 days ago
            yes agree that is an enjoyable and informative read..
        • Arainach 53 days ago
          Sure - I don't doubt that Baku made some people fabulously rich, I'm more curious about "most modern billionaires", specifically "most". I'm not even convinced that most modern billionaires made their billions through petroleum, much less Baku.
          • palmfacehn 53 days ago
            Not sure what that poster meant by that.

            In this case, the Rothschilds were already a powerful European banking dynasty. There are many shadowy speculations about the different branches of this family. Perhaps this is where the confusion originates.

            The Nobel family did better relative to their previous station. In the end the Baku concerns were sold to Rockefeller before being nationalized after the Russian Revolution.

          • 1oooqooq 52 days ago
            i think you're making the common meaning mistake between modern and current times when in a history discussion context.
        • 1oooqooq 52 days ago
          thats and the Nobels are the more public ones. there's also billionaires from the astrian dynasties all over baku.

          also stalin journalism career took off there.

      • Aspos 53 days ago
        Nobel (the Nobel prize guy) made his fortune in Baku, IMSMR
        • anonymousDan 53 days ago
          I thought he made his fortune from TNT and then founded the Nobel prize out of guilt?
          • mometsi 52 days ago
            He (Alfred) was well-known for explosives but most of his money came from his shares in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branobel, run by his brothers.
          • Aspos 53 days ago
            I believe that's where he invented it
            • ablation 52 days ago
              Nobel didn’t invent TNT. That was invented by Wilbrand. Nobel invented dynamite. Both were invented in Germany.
      • kaonwarb 53 days ago
        I suspect the intended context is most Russian billionaires.
    • lrahrna 53 days ago
      [flagged]
      • querez 53 days ago
        I'm not sure what you're trying to get at: where's the irony in "Germany started a war to get some oil. Now someone else starts a war and Germany doesn't want to do business with them because they had enough of warmongering people"? What am I missing?
        • mnky9800n 53 days ago
          You seem to have summarised what I thought they said
      • UltraSane 53 days ago
        Russia blew up the pipeline.

        What is your preferred outcome to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

        • klerand 53 days ago
          That is kind of a Pierce Morgan question: "Do you condemn $X"?

          Yes, I condemn $X. Does it make a difference? Buying oil and gas from Russia, which is happening anyway by laundering it through India, does not make a difference. Ukraine knew this, so it kept the Russian pipelines open and collected transit fees while brutally criticizing Germany for Nordstream!

          No one in the West any longer claims that Russia blew up Nordstream. The latest WSJ article blames it on Zalushny. That is currently the mainstream version, others still believe Seymour Hersh.

          • UltraSane 53 days ago
            What is your preferred outcome to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
            • Frederation 51 days ago
              Rather obvious. Dont expext honesty from them.
              • UltraSane 51 days ago
                I enjoy watching them not answer.
        • vkou 53 days ago
          Strange that the pipeline (whose existence has been a major problem to both the US and a number of EE nations) happens to blow up, after Biden delivers a little speech on it:

          > If Russia invades (Ukraine) ... again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it

          And when pressed for more information on this rather ominous statement, refused to elaborate.

          Its always odd when the 'it would be a shame if anything happened to it' establishment actually burns down. Even odder when the person the German investigation claims to be responsible did the sabotage out of Poland, and then fled to Ukraine.

          With no support from the authorities of either nation, of course, despite both of them having Cheshiric grins over the sabotage.

          I suppose it's very fortunate that Russia bent over backwards to do Biden, Zelensky, and Poland such a favor.

          • Sakos 53 days ago
            As a German who has been horrified by Germany's reluctance to oppose Russia for over a decade now, good riddance to NS2.
            • vkou 53 days ago
              You can be pleased at this while assigning responsibility to the responsible party.
          • bitcurious 53 days ago
            American media coalesced on it being a Ukrainian intelligence operation.

            https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...

            • UltraSane 51 days ago
              Does Ukraine have the capability to blow it up?
              • vkou 50 days ago
                Germany believes so.

                Also, it's been receiving arms and 'advice' from half the world.

          • Frederation 51 days ago
            Meh, Russia. Friends with the scum of the Earth. Russia isnt doing anything for anyone else but Russia.
  • drops 53 days ago
    [flagged]
    • pyrale 53 days ago
      It's in Azerbaijan, not Russia.
      • Ponet1945 53 days ago
        [flagged]
        • Etheryte 53 days ago
          I mean, it's a pretty straightforward stance to understand, if not sympathize. If you pay taxes in Russia, your efforts directly support the war in Ukraine. You can have all sorts of arguments about choice and will, but this underlying truth remains the same.
          • lexicality 53 days ago
            Do you consider yourself personally responsible for what the government does with your taxes?
            • wiseowise 53 days ago
              Absolutely. I moved countries, because I didn't agree what government does with my taxes (or rather what it doesn't).
            • stavros 53 days ago
              No, but complicit to a degree.
    • sedan_baklazhan 53 days ago
      Time for Ukraine to wage war on Azerbaijan.
  • Qem 53 days ago
    How long real state prices can keep climbing before people are forced to start colonizing seas or lakes like this?
    • bitcurious 53 days ago
      Interesting premise.

      Infill is pretty common in cities where real estate is expensive. I’m not sure what the “tipping point” is but large chunks of the city of Boston are built on what was water. The neighborhood “Back Bay” is named quite literally. NYC likewise has large chunks of prime real estate built on artificial land. Manhattan’s Battery Park was once water. The motivation here does seem to have been economic.

      Singapore also is similarly growing out into the sea, though the motivation there is the lack of land in other directions, not merely price.

      The Aztec city of Tenochtitlan was similarly built in the middle of a lake on a foundation of floating grass islands called “chinampas.” Here the motivation was martial - the lake served as a moat for their imperial capital.

      Venice was built similarly to the Tenochtitlan on mostly a series of man-made islands, though the motivation seems to have been population growth.

      The Chinese today are building artificial islands in the South China Sea, the motivation here is martial/legalistic - expand the land territory and power projection to expand their claim to the sea.

      • senkora 52 days ago
        With NYC, there is a fun example of the opposite.

        Manhattan Cruise Terminal in Hell’s Kitchen was constructed by cutting out parts of midtown Manhattan’s bedrock, in order to make the piers long enough to accommodate modern cruise ships. You can see on the map that those piers cut in noticeably further than any others.

    • zemvpferreira 53 days ago
      Cities ocuppy maybe 0.5% of available land, if you’re generous. We’re not wanting for solid ground.
      • Cthulhu_ 53 days ago
        Globally no, but locally yes; the Netherlands famously turned a sea inlet into a lake, then reclaimed a province from that lake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevoland.

        The tradeoff is between urbanization (think Singapore) vs nature vs agriculture. The Netherands doesn't want or isn't ready for building tall yet, for some reason.

        • bastawhiz 53 days ago
          The Netherlands undertook that project for flood protection and to increase land for agriculture. You can't exactly do that on oil platforms.
        • justsomehnguy 53 days ago
          > The Netherands doesn't want or isn't ready for building tall yet, for some reason.

          >> Population • 9 November 2024 estimate Neutral increase 18,212,400[7] (69th) • 2011 census 16,655,799[8] • Density 520/km2 (1,346.8/sq mi) (33rd)

          Compare with Singapore:

          >> Density 7,804/km2 (20,212.3/sq mi) (2nd)

          • ywvcbk 52 days ago
            By the same measurement there are no skyscrapers in the US and everyone lives in farmsteads because the average population density just 38/km2?

            Singapore is ~56x smaller than the Netherlands which makes it hardly comparable..

      • p_j_w 53 days ago
        In a world where transportation is effectively instant you're correct. Here in reality, though, is another story. Living 2 hours away from a commercial center is practically useless unless you have one of the increasingly difficult to find fully remote jobs or enough money that you never have to work again.
    • m3047 53 days ago
      Wouldn't that be Alpaugh / Tulare Lake / Central Valley south of Fresno? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulare_Lake and of course the Netherlands...

      People may disagree with this but IMO Tulare Lake illustrates that it's not just "real estate" because plenty of real estate is basically worthless. In this case it's land with water which can grow things (same in Netherlands), and they made more of it by continuing to suck more water out of the lake than rainfall replenished.

    • christophilus 53 days ago
      These will never be economical. Waterworld will always be sci-fi, unfortunately.
    • robocat 52 days ago
      House prices only go up in popular areas. There are cheap unpopular places.

      Complaining about real estate prices is like going touristing and complaining that the place has too many tourists.

    • jebarker 53 days ago
      Wouldn't that be more expensive than just building on undesirable land?
      • Sakos 53 days ago
        Maintenance for infrastructure and buildings on solid ground is already expensive and difficult. I can't imagine how bad it would be for a sea-based town or city.
    • Oarch 53 days ago
      Gibraltar is, to a large extent, land reclaimed on water.
    • cjaybo 53 days ago
      I mean, given how much undeveloped area exists inland, probably a very very long time?