Things That Turbo Pascal Is Smaller Than (2011)

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  • jbellis 1 minute ago
    Anders Heljsberg GOAT. Turbo Pascal, Delphi, C#, TypeScript, just a phenomenal career marked with better taste than any other language designer I can think of, certainly any designer whose work is so mainstream.
  • hawkice 1 hour ago
    Given development speed is way up, I'd be interested to see what a from-basic-principles simple and efficient OS and programming system might look like. Or people trying radically different versions of efficiency and simplicity, like an OS that uses an existing battle-tested sandboxed execution environment like v8 for userspace safety/isolation.

    Fundamentally, many inefficiencies were justified for developer productivity, and I'm not sure that makes sense anymore, and the cost of larger projects with clear abstraction boundaries has plummetted.

    • Isamu 3 minutes ago
      >Fundamentally, many inefficiencies were justified for developer productivity, and I'm not sure that makes sense anymore

      Having lived through this period, I would disagree, quite the opposite we tended to develop in C and assembly specifically for runtime efficiency because we had to.

      For developer productivity you could opt for Lisp or SmallTalk or some such, which ran much slower until high quality compilers for these became available, and even then your target machine might only have a C compiler.

    • pocketarc 8 minutes ago
      This is the thing - when the cost of iterating and grinding compiler warnings drops to virtually 0, what new paradigms might we invent to exploit that? Rust gives us an inkling of an idea of what might be possible, but that still predates LLMs and thus still makes concession for human ergonomics. What are structures, guardrails, and patterns, that our OSs, frameworks, and toolchains can put in place, which would result in whole classes of problems going away completely, at the expense of massively increased (but mechanical, and easily automatable with a prompt) developer effort?

      The next few years are going to be fun.

  • ilaksh 8 minutes ago
    This is only slightly related but I just made a Turbo Vision UI for Claude Code sessions.

    https://github.com/runvnc/tvclaude

    • andsoitis 5 minutes ago
      cool. can you drag & drop in files (e.g. screenshots, PDFs, video recordings, text files, etc.) for context when you work on features or bug fixes? Cursor is great at workflows like that.
  • bell-cot 23 minutes ago
    Well, yeah. Back in the mid-80's, software needed to be usable on a computer with a single 360KB floppy drive. (No HD, no SSD, no USB, no network, no ...) And even a big budget for RAM - which cost many orders of magnitude more than today - would really not get you around Bill Gates' 640KB DOS memory limit.

    Comparing to current-day stuff is kinda like comparing battery-powered bathtub toys to jetskis.

    • probably_wrong 5 minutes ago
      Those "bathtub toys" built the entire modern infrastructure, parts of which are still chugging along. If anything, I'd put the onus on software developers - like John Carmack said in 2005, "there is something deeply wrong when text editing on a 3.6 ghz processor is anything but instantaneous".

      Software in the 80s showed what's possible when you really care about doing it. Software in the last 15 years feels like an exercise on what happens when you don't.

  • haaz 38 minutes ago
    This article basically says that a text based application (turbo pascal) is smaller than images and PDFs. Obviously.
    • MattCruikshank 33 minutes ago
      It's a full compiler and debugger. It's not at all obvious that it could be smaller than an image.
    • mikestew 25 minutes ago
      “Obviously”. Look, if you don’t really know what a development environment is, that’s okay. But a dismissive comment such as this makes it obvious to the rest of us that you don’t know, when I’m confident that isn’t your goal.