"LibreOffice works 365 days a year. Just saying."

(twitter.com)

343 points | by mksaunders2 1 hour ago

38 comments

  • fweimer 18 minutes ago
    Well, OpenOffice wouldn't print on Tuesdays:

    “ What a fascinating bug!! My wife has complained that open office will never print on Tuesdays!?! Then she demonstrated it. Sure enough, won't print on Tuesday. Other applications print. I think this is the same bug. Here is my guess:

    Print to a postscript file. Observe the line: %%CreationDate: (Tue Mar 3 19:47:42 2009)

    Change "Tue" to anything else: %%CreationDate: (XTue Mar 3 19:47:42 2009)

    Save the file and it prints. Tools like evince work because they simply omit the "CreationDate" tag to begin with.

    Now something odd happens when my cups script (I am using the Brother MFC420CN) copies the file to a temp file. Some of the code is rearranged, not sure how or why, but it uses a command called "file" to identify the file as "PostScript". This check would work on the original file you printed, but by the time it runs the check on the temp file, it misidentifies. Normally it would return:

       PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0
    
    But there is another check that happens before the PostScript check. If it finds "Tue" at the fourth byte of the file, it identifies it as:

       Jan 22 14:32:44 MET 1991\011Erlang JAM file - version 4.2
    
    So it's not a problem w/ openoffice.org, cups, or the brother printer drivers. It is a bug in the `file` utility, and documented at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/file/+bug/248619. ”

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/255161...

    • h1bslop 5 minutes ago
      these types of bugs are epic. often due to people trying to mix and match date and int math
    • ssl-3 9 minutes ago
      That's really neat.

      But now, I really want to know why my office suite needs to tell my printer what day of the week it is.

      If the printer is smart enough to make use of that kind of information, then isn't it also smart enough to sort that out on its own? If so, then it seems superfluous.

      • arcfour 5 minutes ago
        Doesn't seem to me like it is telling the printer what day of the week it is because the printer needs to know so much as it is generating a PostScript file for the printer to use and is adding the creation date as either a convention or requirement of the format, and not the printer.
    • ivanche 9 minutes ago
      Sure, Ubuntu bug from 2008 (!) exposed in an abandoned project must be super relevant for LibreOffice in 2026.
      • colejohnson66 4 minutes ago
        LibreOffice is based on OpenOffice. OP was also (almost certainly) being tongue-in-cheek.
      • arcfour 6 minutes ago
        I think it was intended to be a humorous anecdote playing off of the original joke, and not an indictment of LibreOffice or any other OSS.
  • c0l0 38 minutes ago
    That reminds me that my yearly donation[0] towards LibreOffice's stewards, The Document Foundation, is coming up in December. It's a wholesome tradition where you wire them the amount of EUR/US$/XYZ that Microsoft demands for a year of a personal Office 365(-ish, eh?) subscription[1] as a tex-deductible donation that will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I hereby invite you to join in! :)

        [0]: https://www.libreoffice.org/donate/
        [1]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/buy/compare-all-microsoft-365-products (DO NOT REDEEM)
    • slazaro 13 minutes ago
      You should contact LibreOffice, explain what you're doing (and for how long you've been doing it), and propose for them to do it as an "official" thing, to have the same subscriptions as 365 but as recurring donations instead. It could be a cool donation campaign for them!
    • pimeys 11 minutes ago
      You say tex-deductible I sure think you meant LaTeX-deductible...
      • rbr94 8 minutes ago
        One can dream!
  • kencausey 48 minutes ago
    While true and a comment I support, it is worth noting that offline versions of Microsoft Office are and have been just fine, including the latest version of 2024 just updated this week.
    • raegis 38 minutes ago
      Yes, but they eventually stop receiving updates, so you have to spend another $250 to get the newer version. And if you bought, say, Office 2021 just before Office 2024 is released (by necessity, for a new employee, say) then it has a significantly shorter lifespan. And you HAVE to spend this money because it is impossible to convince people they don't need Microsoft Word.
      • belval 28 minutes ago
        That seems different though. If you are paying a fixed cost for offline software, you are not entitled to updates for it, that seems like wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
        • cwnyth 16 minutes ago
          It costs nothing to update to the newest LibreOffice.
          • paxy 12 minutes ago
            The cost is all the features you are missing.
        • Gualdrapo 22 minutes ago
          > That seems different though. If you are paying a fixed cost for offline software, you are not entitled to updates for it

          I don't know, back in my day you could get at least discounts on updates for your paid software.

      • georgel 8 minutes ago
        I have been on HN since 2010, and I will never understand this sentiment of "we deserve free updates". Unless you were promised an update in the purchase agreement, you got what you literally paid for.

        I have to assume a large portion of the community here are paid software engineers or adjacent, how do you think your employer is able to pay you? By selling software...and software updates.

      • paxy 12 minutes ago
        Why do you need the newer version?
        • jsLavaGoat 4 minutes ago
          No one "needs" new features, but everyone needs security updates.
      • gambiting 25 minutes ago
        >> so you have to spend another $250 to get the newer version

        But why? I still use Office 2016 and I haven't yet come across a document it wouldn't open. What am I missing out on?

        • close2 14 minutes ago
          Because you no longer get any security updates.
        • gnabgib 13 minutes ago
          Some security updates, some features, and if you're unlucky and run MacOS - the ability to save files.
    • Exmoor 10 minutes ago
      It's not even really particularly true, at least the implied criticism. My work uses M365 and Microsoft Office worked fine, both online and offline versions. Email stopped working, but AFAIK Open Office doesn't make an open source email server.
      • kencausey 6 minutes ago
        Yes, I made an assumption, arguably unfounded, that MS365 had been affected by the recent issues.
    • Kwpolska 15 minutes ago
      Is the outage so bad you actually can't launch excel.exe if you have a 365 license?
    • nobody42 20 minutes ago
      It's a technical debt to MS and will be phased out.
  • jdlyga 43 minutes ago
    If LibreOffice were good enough already, it would already be popular. It's the same with GIMP. On paper it's a Photoshop alternative, but we've all struggled with it. These projects need to take the same route as Blender did. Originally it was a clunky open source alternative, but it went through a complete UI transformation and now blows the competition away.
    • StableAlkyne 33 minutes ago
      A major barrier to the improvement of giant FOSS replacements like GIMP and LibreOffice is that the people who develop it and the people who use it have become very used to all of its quirks. It's extremely hard to identify the rough edges in a UI without an external perspective.

      Blender is a little different because every 3D modeling program is odd in its own way, and the new UI was close enough that it was easy to learn after the transition (I do still use the legacy keybinds though).

      But Blender is very niche hobby software. To "succeed" (if we define success as capturing a significant user share from closed source spyware), Libre and GIMP need to offer workflows that are close to what the average non-coder technical person expects. Maybe that isn't valued by the teams, or maybe they don't have enough resources to make it happen, but the end result is a reputation of jank.

      I dislike vibe coded clones because of concerns about the engineering quality. But the reason they're making waves when traditional FOSS hasn't is that the UX is leagues ahead.

      • swiftcoder 14 minutes ago
        > But Blender is very niche hobby software

        I don't think this is entirely accurate at this point. It has pretty wide adoption in the educational space, and a number of well-known studios have adopted Blender into their workflows.

        The Blender development fund wouldn't be topped-up to the tune of $3 million/year if it were purely funded by hobbyists.

        • StableAlkyne 9 minutes ago
          Yes, it is used in a professional capacity.

          But when I say "niche hobby software," I'm talking about the relative scale of the user base.

          Every working adult who touches a computer in 2026 is using office software. Photo editing is so common that "Photoshop" has become a verb. These two use cases are behemoths compared to 3D modelers.

    • adrian_b 10 minutes ago
      I consider LibreOffice Writer superior to old MS Word versions, and old MS Word versions superior to new MS Word versions.

      In my opinion, the quality of MS Word peaked some time in the early 2000s.

      So today, given the choice between LibreOffice and MS Word, I would always choose LibreOffice, even if MS Word were free, and despite the fact that LibreOffice Writer has some annoying bugs that have not been fixed for many years, but I find easier to work around those bugs than to cope with the user interface of modern MS Word.

      On the other hand, I agree that MS Excel is clearly superior to LibreOffice Calc. Nonetheless, there already are decades since I switched to LibreOffice Calc and I did not need the extra features of MS Excel. For things beyond the capabilities of Calc, I use a real database, though that would probably not be the best solution for a typical office worker.

      In the distant past I liked a lot MS Access, but I have no idea whether today it is still useful. I abandoned it many years ago, after I had some problems with the migration of data between different versions of MS Access and even more with the migration of data from MS Access to another database manager.

    • Narishma 23 minutes ago
      > If LibreOffice were good enough already, it would already be popular.

      Not true. There's inertia and network effects in play that often prevent better products from succeeding against established ones.

      • emsixteen 16 minutes ago
        Let's be honest though, the UI is absolutely dreadful.
    • tjoff 24 minutes ago
      I agree that LibreOffice has ways to go. But the secret is that MS office is just worse in every single way except mind share.

      Most people don't use MS office by choice though so "goodness" isn't a particular relevant metric.

    • someperson 36 minutes ago
      Octave is a similar old-school open-source replacement tool (to Matlab) that could benefit from similar investment. Though Octave's issues involve some ecosystem compatibility dynamics too, last I checked.
    • tancop 38 minutes ago
      ArtCraft is great for this. They try to recreate proprietary apps 1 to 1 so there's no real innovation, but it creates a baseline for new open source projects that can be even better than the original.
      • dmarzio 31 minutes ago
        Yep I’ve been using PhotoCraft and WordCraft along with others in the suite and honestly I haven’t found any features yet that they are missing. Basically drop-in replacements written in Rust. Each one is around 100mb and no bloat like the real versions. Adobe and Microsoft are in trouble.
        • usui 27 minutes ago
          Be careful with this with the knowledge that it's an ongoing vibe-coded effort. Wordcraft failed to detect spacing after paragraphs and I could not use "Remove spacing after paragraph", whereas it worked in Word. Photocraft added extra transparent space around a copied transformed edit selection, whereas in Photoshop it copied the selection boundary exactly.

          Updates are coming in frequently for all the *Craft apps, and I really like that it's possible to brew install them across many macOS on a moment's notice, so I definitely recommend trying it. However it should not be used for absolutely critical work unless you can verify the functions you need are fine.

          • machomaster 21 minutes ago
            They have an official early alpha status for a reason.
    • somewhereoutth 19 minutes ago
      As an occasional user of GIMP, yes it does not quite have the final level of UX polish.

      For example, moving a text layer (with 'pick layer') requires the cursor to be over the painted part of the glyphs to move that layer, if you miss then the background is moved instead. All that is required is a picking region around the glyphs and it would be fine.

  • unpopularopp 17 minutes ago
    Maybe someone can help but why does LibreOffice take 4-5 seconds to start on Windows? There are many reports of that [0] and otherwise I have zero problems with my system. This is the only application I use regulary which is actually noticeably slow to start. Even restoring a Firefox instance with hundreds of tabs and +20GB RAM committed is quicker (1s)

    https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/why-does-libroffice-starts-so-...

    https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/startup-time-open-libreoffice-...

    https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/why-does-libreoffice-feel-slug...

    • rbr94 7 minutes ago
      I prefer them working on other stuff (office interop, stability, i18n, a11y, etc.). 4-5 secs suffices
    • shiandow 10 minutes ago
      I wish Microsoft office was anywhere near as quick if I'm honest. But no I don't know any way to improve startup time.
    • thinkingtoilet 13 minutes ago
      Does it matter? Are you in such a rush that you need your document program to open in under 4 seconds? What difference does this make?
  • hk__2 41 minutes ago
    I have LibreOffice installed but it’s so ugly and non-intuitive that I prefer to import my documents in Google Docs.
    • chris_wot 26 minutes ago
      What specifically is ugly?
      • OJFord 23 minutes ago
        Depending on your system gtk/Qt/whatever it is icon/font/etc. setup you and GP may have very different aesthetic experiences.
      • speedgoose 20 minutes ago
        The graphical user interface.
    • jon128 35 minutes ago
      [dead]
    • nightski 21 minutes ago
      If I am honest that sounds like a perfect task for AI. Fork it and modernize the user interface.
    • kev009 32 minutes ago
      google docs isn't ugly?
  • DavCreator 6 minutes ago
  • sugarkjube 39 minutes ago
    My locally installed ms office 2019 also works 365d/y.

    My softmaker office suite also.

    Anyway, I do admit I mostly use libreoffice nowadays, except for 1) communication with customers, and 2) a few excels libre can't handle.

    I still have to find a good alternative for (local installed) outlook, I'm trying out thunderbird, but I'm not sure it would be able to replace outlook. I still have to try whether it can handle a 50gb imap inbox, and besides lacks a few essential features.

  • paxy 17 minutes ago
    It's a bad look to kick someone when they are down (literally and figuratively). Every company has outages.
    • forgotpwd16 8 minutes ago
      Should kick them even harder when it's them that they pushed online-always for software that should've been, and was for long time, offline-capable.
    • pdntspa 13 minutes ago
      No, it is offline desktop software that doesn't depend on a cloud. That is the point and they should be rubbing it in because Office used to be like that and now it is not.
      • paxy 12 minutes ago
        Office still is like that. It runs fine offline.
  • delis-thumbs-7e 36 minutes ago
    I support this in spirit, but in all honesty I never use it. I don’t use word either though. Nvim and on Windows Notepad. Micro is pretty good as well.

    If I had to use a word processor daily at work I would just run into the woods and never come back.

    • pm3003 20 minutes ago
      Assuming you have a classic desk job, how do you report to your teams / higher-ups / clients etc ?
  • galkk 35 minutes ago
    I haven't used in a while, but all my experiences with it in past were it "works". Any non-trivial work with csv's and it was crashing regularly... Hope it's better now
  • throwaway270925 47 minutes ago
    Throw in LibreAD or LibreEntra and you got something!
  • felipeccastro 28 minutes ago
    I’ve been using OnlyOffice in Ubuntu and it’s so much better, I don’t miss Office at all
    • throwaway2046 11 minutes ago
      Seconding OnlyOffice. Much better experience and compatibility than LibreOffice, and works natively on Linux.
      • Scoring6931 1 minute ago
        Pretty sure it's a wrapper for the Web version. Not native.

        But I also use it. It's the best office suite for Linux.

  • kbrannigan 37 minutes ago
    I've been rediscovering desktop software. Especially those that have a CLI I take the era of mediocre SAAS, selling people infinite subscriptions .

    This is the year where you can have all your data private, you processor is good enough.

    Software is not about or pretty the UI is, it's a tool.

  • h1bslop 8 minutes ago
    Can you guys start a cloud company?
  • messh 37 minutes ago
    Word and word-like editors are all too complex. Personally I would love some libre quip-like or markdown based renderer with better image and table support
  • sondelali 12 minutes ago
    LibreOffice is all anyone really needs. Although I wish its UI were a bit polished by 2026 standards.
  • willmadden 11 minutes ago
    LibreOffice is centered around the document foundation (TDF) in Berlin, correct?

    Every month TDF should take a batch of X volunteer microsoft office users who have never used LibreOffice.

    Their most senior developers should sit with them as they attempt to do their office work exclusively in LibreOffice.

    Then take notes about their experience and revise/enhance the products accordingly.

    They should do this 365 days a year for as long as it takes.

    External perspective is the blocker. That's how you make it competitive.

  • wtch98 15 minutes ago
    Doesn't matter. Nobody who chose Microsoft 365 for their business is being blamed for the problems today, and that's all they care about.

    If they chose Libreoffice, while their company may have been working today, it wouldn't be able to work with most other companies anyway, and crucially every minor user error will be blamed on the CTO for not choosing Microsoft

  • maxdo 47 minutes ago
    every time i open libre office, i do think that micrsoft is paying them lots of money to stay that ugly.

    In reality the office work will be replaced not by libre office, but something like claude work. It's an obvious direction.

    • kbrannigan 36 minutes ago
      It it can do the job, i'll take ugly.

      Why do you think CLIs and TUI are making a huge comeback.

      Web applications were prettier but so bloated and so slow.

      • win311fwg 14 minutes ago
        > Why do you think CLIs and TUI are making a huge comeback.

        1. Terminals finally got some design attention and became beautiful.

        2. The apps within those terminals are now easily able to inherit that beauty.

        It is most definitely still possible to create an ugly CLI/TUI, but it is harder to do so under the constraints imposed on them as compared to when you have free rein over a GUI. For every CLI/TUI we're seeing these days someone has also created a GUI that does the same thing, but the GUI UIs are ugly compared to the equivalent CLI/TUI options.

        A world-class designer can make a GUI great, but the vast majority of designers are average at best. Restricting their design freedom increases the chances that they'll create something decent than if they had full freedom to exhibit their lack of design skill.

    • bigstrat2003 37 minutes ago
      Who cares? I use software to do a job, not to have pretty graphic design elements.
    • bigyabai 46 minutes ago
      Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I usually don't spend my time editing documents caring about how pretty/ugly the editor is.

      I quite like that Libreoffice let's me disable the confusing "strip" layout that MS Office pushes on everyone.

      • SoftTalker 40 minutes ago
        Yes I feel the same way. I even prefer it, it maybe looks a little dated but it's a denser UI and doesn't waste as much space on my screen.
      • netdevphoenix 44 minutes ago
        Curious comment indeed made on a website not particularly known for a beautiful design
        • pndy 9 minutes ago
          You can see on reddit case what happens when you start adding the "beauty" factor instead of staying with the minimal interface. It may be surprising but for many hn looks good and the only thing it could have is the dark mode - which can be bring with userscripts.
        • maxdo 38 minutes ago
          For presentations internally i switched to https://bento.page/ , my agents doing all kind of great CSS animations.

          it's not about styles, it's UX, stupid encoding questions, every time you open it, not able to handle big enough spreadsheets, and tons of problems like this.

          Also changing document formatting is a pain, i do not want to do it manually , i want ai to do it for me.

          On styles, office packages are more often an external communication tool, send a doc, report, to a customer, prospect etc, How can you make the doc ascetically good, if entire office package tools looks like from 90s, scroll is lagging, etc.

      • maxdo 43 minutes ago
        try to open sreadsheets, especially wide/big one, and you will love it even more. I literally have to do non intuitive moves and fall back into gdrive or claude docs.
    • svachalek 44 minutes ago
      In other news, Claude outages today.
  • TZubiri 1 minute ago
    but are desktop apps broken what?

    or are the parts of office that are broken the ones that libreoffice doesn’t even offer?

  • port3000 20 minutes ago
    Office 365 should rename to Office 363 at this point
  • NooneAtAll5 27 minutes ago
    of all the things, why post on twitter? you can't read any replies there
    • xvedejas 7 minutes ago
      Likely LibreOffice is posting somewhere else too. The submitter here could have found other websites to submit, I think.
  • VCFundedGenYer 6 minutes ago
    So do offline versions of MS Office. Irrelevant and out of touch statement.

    The LibreOffice folks should not be posting so recklessly. They are reeling after falsely claiming they don't use AI and then were suddenly revealed to be doing the opposite.

  • raincole 37 minutes ago
    I don't think most users of Word have ever experienced it not be 'working' in the past two decades either...
  • beezlewax 35 minutes ago
    Didn't micro-soft just recently attempt to layoff or buyout ~60,000 people?

    I wonder if that has to do with anything..

  • jsLavaGoat 12 minutes ago
    WordCraft is more like Word and is just as free. Just saying.
  • IshKebab 30 minutes ago
    Well it runs definitely. Works though...?
  • jauntywundrkind 31 minutes ago
    Yes, but. I haven't used Microsoft groupware, but my impression is that like Google there's a bunch of multi-player value.

    An office where everyone uses local software, that has no idea there is a network share, feels like the eternal conundrum today: it's potentially a Linux on the desktop win. But in the meantime most people would rather not need to manage individual desktops. Cross-machine multi-player experiences are increasingly table-stakes. It doesn't have to be the cloud per se, but it's been multiple decades now of open source competing for the desktop, and it's really been struggling to skate to where the puck's going. It hasn't been on desktop in a while.

    A sidebar here, but I think this is what makes atproto so compelling to me. Posts like "A Social Filesystem" talk to how atproto is common glue, and it takes a little imagining, but it's absolutely a substrate that could be used for multiplayer office (via internal-only atproto networks, or upcoming ATproto Spaces). https://overreacted.io/a-social-filesystem/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46665839

  • rvz 40 minutes ago
    Software like this still under-estimates the strength of network effects and inertia. With 3 examples:

    1) We have seen this effect with Mastodon. Even when Twitter / X was down, hundreds of millions of people waited for it to go back online and never stuck on Mastodon when they struggled to migrate, or even could not choose a instance to sign up on.

    2) GitHub, no matter how unreliable it is and will surely go down next week, tens of millions of developers continue to use it rather than actually self-hosting.

    3) The exact same thing with Claude or ChatGPT going down several times a month. Users continue to use both of them instead of local models that don't phone home and stay up 100% uptime.

    With the Microsoft 365 outage, hundreds of millions of users will continue to use Outlook and the suite of Microsoft software including Teams; because all their emails and work is on there.

    So they just cannot just migrate away from it to LibreOffice which they see that as a complete downgrade. It is far harder than it sounds due to inertia and most open source projects still do not get that in 2026.

    • kayodelycaon 25 minutes ago
      Self-hosting anything is not trivial. You have to maintain your own infrastructure and backups.

      Github is far more than a git repository. You’re almost never using it for just git. The real value is the ecosystem.

  • pearjuice 40 minutes ago
    Is Office compatibility a solved problem? Haven't used LibreOffice or OpenOffice for years but I was always met with slightly different formatting, incompatible Office quirks et cetera. I know they have their own document format which works fine but the biggest problem is (was?) interoperability with majority of the rest of the professional (and academic) world on regular Office installations.
    • SoftTalker 36 minutes ago
      Compatibilty is probably 95% or greater. If you're a very demanding Excel user you might have some trouble (I never have; I do my taxes in LibreOffice using a spreadsheet designed for Excel and it's fine).

      Never had an issue with a Word doc, at least not in the past 5 years or more.

    • haunter 34 minutes ago
    • sugarkjube 34 minutes ago
      Libreoffice has become quite good last years.

      Not 100% compatible, but its become rather usable, for most use cases.

      Definitely not as problematic as 10 years ago.

    • raincole 39 minutes ago
      No.
  • tonymet 41 minutes ago
    it works so well, you have to export your docs to Microsoft Word format in order for them to have any value.
  • TiredOfLife 40 minutes ago
    Define "works"
  • n4bz0r 43 minutes ago
    And it's not a proper substitute for Microsoft Office. Just saying.
  • 1970-01-01 24 minutes ago
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  • josefritzishere 38 minutes ago
    It's pretty good. No complaints!
  • internet2000 42 minutes ago
    I couldn't launch LibreOffice for like, 3 days, earlier this year after a botched ArchLinux upgrade that moved some libraries it needed.
    • stn8188 39 minutes ago
      I've had similar things break when I was on Arch years ago. My wife was quite unhappy that she couldn't log in to use it (I think it was a graphics driver thing). Even though I usually like Fedora, I recently settled on Void for my personal workstation and I've been thoroughly enjoying it.
    • chrystalkey 36 minutes ago
      Thats a thing though with Rolling release models.

      All software can suffer from that, but thats what you wanted so idk why this falls back onto Libre Office

    • righthand 31 minutes ago
      This is why I stopped using Arch, just wait until you update and try to reboot and it doesn’t work, then you have to update again via mounting your disk through a liveusb installer.
    • jen20 38 minutes ago
      That sounds like an ArchLinux problem rather than a LibreOffice problem?
      • drstewart 26 minutes ago
        And I doubt the root cause issue here is with Microsoft Office Suite
    • wsowens 38 minutes ago
      I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like there's maybe something else in this sentence that might be a greater source of your issues
      • internet2000 10 minutes ago
        Isn't it the same for this Microsoft Office outage?
    • thece0 37 minutes ago
      Thats not really the fault of LibreOffice, is it now? Thats like me complaining about not being able to use my oven after I blew my fusebox
    • chaps 40 minutes ago
      Yeah LibreOffice isn't wrong to throw shade but no matter how soft their wares are, they shouldn't throw them in glass houses.