16 comments

  • plantain 38 minutes ago
    You are completely mad if you are running any kind of valuable workload on Runpod community or Vast. Hosts are absolutely peeking inside the VM's (you can see it openly discussed in their Discords).
    • dv_dt 14 minutes ago
      I hold the inverse risk assessment- I think acting on a peek risk is much higher with larger operations such as OpenAi or eg Amazon -as they've allegedly done the same on their product marketplace and deciding on generic products, in addition to open source-alike service offerings.

      Larger entities have the resources, the inclination and the protective legal teams to act much differently than a resource tight n-tier platform operator

    • gpm 25 minutes ago
      There's got to be a ton of valuable workloads that don't care much about secrecy.

      Who cares if someones spying on the process of fine tuning a model to help us pick strawberries? Even if they could somehow find a competitor to sell it to - the competitor wouldn't be interested because the risk of violating trade secret law is surely greater than whatever they can glean from our training run...

      • elevation 5 minutes ago
        > violating trade secret law

        There is law for patents. Trade secrets exist outside the realm of enforcement.

    • Aurornis 20 minutes ago
      > (you can see it openly discussed in their Discords).

      Can you explain? I haven’t used Runpod and don’t have time to search through a Discord to figure out what someone is talking about.

    • mmnfrdmcx 10 minutes ago
      What are places in your view to rent GPUs that are trustworthy they will not peek in your opinion?
    • m00x 23 minutes ago
      A lot of Vast.ai GPUs are also firmware-limited, so it's a big gamble when you run your workloads. You also can't get a cluster.

      It's fine for comfyui workloads or simple LLM inference, but you lose both privacy and stability.

      • aunty_helen 15 minutes ago
        GPUs set to lower power states and CPUs with frequency scaling turned down. That's the biggest hit and miss for what I'm doing. Honestly don't care if people are looking at my workloads as it's just processing public data. But do care if it's someone's laptop that's actively using 1/2 the vram.
    • kirubakaran 33 minutes ago
      Could you please share screenshots?
    • smallmancontrov 32 minutes ago
      Sam is welcome to peek at my generative furry porn all he wants ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
      • tarpitt 22 minutes ago
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  • buredoranna 11 minutes ago
    There are a couple of new indices out there.

    [1] "Silicon Index". Built against pricing observations, including listed prices and transaction data.

    [2] "Ornn Compute Price Index (OCPI)". Claiming to use only executed transactions.

    Your mileage may vary, but I find these new indices to be quite compelling.

    [1] https://www.silicondata.com/products/silicon-index

    [2] https://data.ornn.com/

    And yup, its not just how much these resources cost, but how much people are willing to pay for them.

    (edit: formatting)

  • uneekname 28 minutes ago
    > 4.57× between cheapest and dearest, for the same chip

    > What the 4.57× is not

    > - InfiniBand

    > - A datacentre SLA

    > - Enterprise compliance, committed capacity...

    ok

    • InsidiousWombat 22 minutes ago
      Worth nothing that neither of those costs 2x the price of running GPU itself
  • tokepi 10 minutes ago
    There’s much more data here, with more providers and splits by the different H100 types: https://cloud-gpus.com/nvidia-h100/
  • dpflan 40 minutes ago
    This is premise for https://skypilot.ai/, right? Cloud provider arbitrage.
  • nico 13 minutes ago
    Yes. And the prices a lot of times don’t even make sense

    I’ve run into many hosted GPUs with processes stuck, with outdated drivers/libraries, or poor Internet connections

  • williamgators 10 minutes ago
    Seems once the government controls it the prices go haywire
  • happyPersonR 4 minutes ago
    lol watch the $12 people just subcontract out to the $2 and hope no one notices lolll
  • fg137 22 minutes ago
    I guess the author hasn't discovered vast.ai which is a minefield.
  • qoez 31 minutes ago
    I wish there was some kind of GPU marketplace so one could just arb this opportunity.
  • zizzigy 32 minutes ago
    But a ps5.48xlarge has 8x H100s. Are the other options here comparable?
  • jdc0589 42 minutes ago
    runpod is incredible, im a big fan, but good luck with availability on any specific GPU above 20gb of vram when you actually want to use it.

    last time I was trying to run some workloads there the pricing of an h100 was largely irrelevant.

    • codemk8 1 minute ago
      Same feeling. It’s great when GPUs are available. Also helps if you can use non data center cards in your workflow.
    • alienbaby 33 minutes ago
      Hmm, if it works. Was interested so thought I would go check it out. Their site seems busted atm.
  • paxy 24 minutes ago
    Slop
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