How octopuses squeeze through too small gaps

(journals.biologists.com)

43 points | by bookofjoe 10 hours ago

4 comments

  • randomImmigrant 1 hour ago
    An octopus is what results when water gains consciousness.
    • Crunchified 35 minutes ago
      I think of jellies more that way than octopuses, but consciousness in primitive creatures is a debatable topic.
      • mr_toad 4 minutes ago
        I don’t think there’s a hard line. Nematodes will react to being touched, that implies a primitive level of self-awareness. Most animals possess some form of proprioceptive sense, against, a form of self awareness. Higher self-awareness is just about being able to predict and plan your own actions a few more moves ahead.
      • kulahan 9 minutes ago
        Consciousness maybe, but intelligence is a given. Amoebas can transfer memory and intelligence no problem simply by meeting and combining
  • bookofjoe 10 hours ago
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  • hatthew 3 hours ago
    I love that their justification for this study is robots. I think science for the sake of learning is good and justification isn't always necessary. But it's so funny that we've moved beyond search and rescue as a justification for cool robots, to cool robots as a justification for studying octopi.
    • alsobrsp 2 hours ago
      We lost that with the decline of the corporate research labs. PARC, Bell Labs, Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory, and such are shadows of what they used to be if they are even still around. Those facilities used to look at long range ideas and we are still reaping the benefits. Most research now is product centric, looking maybe 2 years ahead. I blame the tax cuts of the 80s and 90s.
      • Amorymeltzer 2 hours ago
        Well, that and the faux-/manufactured outrage from US Congress. Things like Coburn's waste book were designed to lampoon and degrade seemingly silly or wasteful basic-science research from just a cursory overview of the title or cherry-picked facts. That's part of a larger agenda alongside cutting basic research for cuts-sake, but it means that everyone in science is searching for a justification for even the most meager of funding. Human biomedical health is a good target—if you can come up with any plausible link, your odds of funding are better (maybe)—and I suppose robots aren't a bad one either.

        The NSF has a list of responses to various such things: <https://www.nsf.gov/about/congress/wastebooks>

      • asanineassasin 2 hours ago
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      • GuB-42 7 minutes ago
        These labs had one thing in common: they were funded by monopolies. Xerox with copy machines, Bell with the telephone, General Electric is also known for its monopolistic practices.

        And you probably heard about these little things called LLMs, that's Google research, yup, another quasi-monopoly. And it wasn't product centric, in fact, Google turned out to be pretty bad at making a product out of their research, that's how OpenAI took over.

        Monopolies are bad for consumers, but there is also some good. Because they make tons of money and don't have to worry about competitors, they can invest a lot into fundamental research with a long term perspective. A competitive industry rewards shorter term strategy, because companies can't afford to wait 20 years for the next big thing if their competitor takes over after 2 years with the next small thing.

    • chris_va 1 hour ago
      Amusing parallel: https://www.xkcd.com/2128/
  • Crunchified 3 hours ago
    How octopuses squeeze through too small gaps

    Obligatory click-bait title comment...

    The article describes how octopuses get through holes in one of two ways, one for larger holes and one for smaller holes.

    Spoiler: An octopus cannot get through a gap that is too small.

    • bookofjoe 1 hour ago
      I'm curious: Your comment implies that you find the title misleading.

      What would you suggest instead?

      • mrkstu 1 hour ago
        I think adding ‘seemingly’ would cover the basis of violating the law of contradiction.
      • badlibrarian 1 hour ago
        "How octopuses squeeze through an opening far smaller than the body diameter" is boring, verbose, and a quote from the article.
      • Crunchified 57 minutes ago
        How about very small gaps instead of "too small gaps". Simple change to the title, but far more accurate and non-contradictory.

        But would you still click on it?

        • bookofjoe 54 minutes ago
          I like it! I'd still click on yours.