5 comments

  • aurareturn 47 minutes ago
    Before anyone screams "circular financing", it really isn't.

    It's almost certainly about making sure that these startups use Nvidia stack.

    • TobiasJacob 6 minutes ago
      Nvidia at this point is the new central bank of the tech world
    • origini 20 minutes ago
      Especially as long as demand is as high as it is.

      I paid real money for the 4090. Real $2000

    • wesammikhail 45 minutes ago
      Isnt that... what circular financing often refers to?

      If I invest in you and you use my stack and pay me for it. It's circular. I don't think it should be illegal to do this type of vendor financing/investment or what not as it has its legitimate uses.

      But it is circular.

      • aurareturn 34 minutes ago
        The money that Nvidia gives to these companies hardly make a dent in Nvidia's total revenue.

        It's just to make sure the next OpenAI uses Nvidia stack.

        • serial_dev 15 minutes ago
          None of this refutes the circular nature of it all, though.
          • formerly_proven 11 minutes ago
            Circular financing is when the revenue you get back is a fraction of what you put in, essentially. If you put in 1$ to get 10$ back in (future) revenue, that's not circular financing.
        • throwaway_new_1 26 minutes ago
          Yes so advertising and vendor locking. Which brings money back to them. Hence circular.
          • aurareturn 18 minutes ago
            When people accuse AI companies of circular financing, they meant it as a way to juice up their financial reports.

            This is not the case. This is just having influence.

            I don't think this locks the startup into Nvidia stack. I don't think this is advertising either. It's just influence.

            Circular is not the word I use to describe this business tactic.

            • gchamonlive 12 minutes ago
              Yes but how many such isolated cases are there? There is a real possibility that a lot of the AI bubble is fuelled not by dealing with itself but by pulverizing influence all over the market.
            • ericd 7 minutes ago
              It also makes everyone else’s success theirs. Personally I’m really happy to effectively be an LP in the Nvidia VC fund.
      • JohnHaugeland 5 minutes ago
        no, circular financing refers to it bouncing through several loops of that. the implication is that it’s system predators working the math, not the business. you should hear it in the same tones that bankers use the word leverage
      • charcircuit 31 minutes ago
        I don't think 1 loop is enough. You could remove the loop by just giving the GPUs directly as part of the investment. But investing in pure cash gives more flexibility especially in time where there may not even been spare GPUs able to be given away.
        • aurareturn 28 minutes ago
          Having equity in the startup means Nvidia can influence the founders to use Nvidia stack.
  • ghostfoxgod 2 days ago
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  • wqtz 0 minutes ago
    Bear with me.... Leverage and Insurance. Leverage against whom? US govt.

    Maybe VCs and Private Equity funds represents what is essentially oligarchs. They are oligarchs as institutions. Everyone knows this already. US has certain liking to captialism as long as it is represented trough institutions and not individuals. Controversial I know, but standard oil, billy boy gates and monopoly trials, musk and spacex being public companies. It is just America.

    So, NVIDIA figured out an interesting play. NVIDIA is playing a risky game where US govt can anytime say "fuck you, I hate you now". But if they embroil themselves in enough foundational businesses across america saying fuck you to them is difficult. Startups are " think of the children" corporate America.

    They have become part of the oligarch class, they have invested where politicians childrens are working or lets be clear founded startups. This is not curricular economy, it is nvidia buying insurance. If they were read blooded America it would have been leverage, but this is insurance. Saying fuck you to them is progressively getting harder.

    Any way my legs are frozen that is enough conspiracy theories I can write from the stall.

  • rwmj 33 minutes ago
    For what was until a few days ago the largest public company in the US, that doesn't sound unusual?
    • msdz 13 minutes ago
      Still interesting to have concrete numbers on the phenomenon, I’d say.
  • glimshe 17 minutes ago
    Looks like Jensen Huang has been making the rounds...