Milkman – The Better Alternative to Postman

(milkman.dev)

79 points | by jplunien 13 hours ago

29 comments

  • urig 11 hours ago
    For a Postman-like experience, I prefer Bruno: https://github.com/usebruno/bruno (not affiliated)
  • zabij 12 hours ago
    - I got sick of all those electron-based applications - I created a JavaFx-based workbench

    Oh boi

    • egorfine 7 hours ago
      Yeah.

      I'm looking to migrate off postman now and I have downloaded Milkman and ... oh boi. The only app that has a license to ship a UI like that is Calibre.

    • asdfsa32 12 hours ago
      Modern JavaFX isn't your grandparents JavaFX, in fact, modern Java isn't your grandpa's Java.
      • thunfischtoast 11 hours ago
        So I'm my own grandpa? Whats sorcery is this?
        • asdfsa32 10 hours ago
          Yes, you're a dinosaur now, I am afraid. Kids born in 2000 are 26 year old.
          • doublerabbit 1 hour ago
            Thanks. You just made me realise that next year I'm 38.
    • silon42 7 hours ago
      Someone should enhance jmeter...
  • gosen 12 hours ago
    The UI looks a bit outdated, it gives me vibes of some old software from 2000s somehow (probably because of the Java). And it would be really helpful to clearly state benefits of using Milkman instead of Postman right on the home page (e.g. performance benchmarks, UX, extendability, etc.). I see that it has some users and 1.3k stars so there're definitely some cool things in Milkman, probably you could just present them better
    • dkdbejwi383 11 hours ago
      Both the application UI and website are giving open source option from 2008
    • kjmr 11 hours ago
      It looks like a windows app running on macOS.
    • speed_spread 8 hours ago
      At this point, "outdated" is a compliment, it means that it has a menu with standard shortcuts, discoverability, accessibility. It means that it won't take 800MB of RAM to provide minimal functionality. It will stay the same across the years and not be subject of experimentation by UI designers thinking that they know better. Postman's UI started so-so and just went worse from there. SoapUI before it offered similar functionality using Swing. It's always the same app, you can rewrite it but there's no reinventing it.
  • biinjo 10 hours ago
    We are in an age where it’s easier to vibe code your own alternative than to do a quick internet search to check if an alternative already exists.
    • bleuarff 10 hours ago
      What a wonderful usage of resources.
      • mrdootdoot 9 hours ago
        Maybe this is what and how it always should have been. My life is better now that an LLM proxies my human sound waves and finger clacks to bits that do what I say - and precisely what I say nothing else
      • mexicocitinluez 9 hours ago
        It's wild that building bespoke software that fits your needs instead of relying on a one-size-fits-all approach that you're constantly battling against is frowned upon.

        I have to ask myself what business you could possibly be in where you look at the software landscape and think "Yea, this aligns perfectly with my needs".

        • bleuarff 7 hours ago
          Build your own software if that suits you, all I'm saying is maybe do a quick research for what exists in your space before spending all these tokens.
          • mexicocitinluez 5 hours ago
            Right, but Postman would have been a valid choice all the way up until it wasn't. The cost of building your own used to vastly outweigh the cost of having to possibly move to another app, pay for licensing when that changes, etc. But that's changing (especially for something like a GUI to make http requests which feels pretty mechanical for basic use cases).

            Tangentially related, one belief I've had since the beginning is that LLMs will result in the decrease in large consulting/software factory companies (good riddance) and one-size-fits-all solutions in favor of solutions tailored to a business's actual needs. I work in a slice of healthcare. There are a handful of big EMRs and they were all built 20 years ago in an industry that changes and so many providers end up having to retrofit their businesses around whatever quirks/workflows the software has. And it's usually one of a few flavors: overly restrictive, too configurable, or worst of all: not restrictive at all. None of those are ideal. But now that the economics are changing, hiring a software dev or 2 at your small/medium-sized company becomes a lot more appalling. And it means they actually get business experience. Which means better software all around. I believe the days of shuffling changing requirements through 4 layers of PM's and BAs and sprint leads only to end up with a solution that looks like it was built playing the telephone game are waning.

    • doomboiardee 7 hours ago
      This to me is what I always envisioned the end-goal was with OpenAI/Anthropic/etc.
    • nilamo 10 hours ago
      Magnificent. One step closer to self sufficient community ships drifting through the system, meeting up with other ships once a month or less.
  • upmostly 11 hours ago
    Are API testing UIs really relevant anymore? I haven't manually tested an API for almost two years, and my APIs are SO much better. This kind of GUI is going to die over the next 5 years.

    Postman should be seriously worried.

    • Mashimo 11 hours ago
      > Are API testing UIs really relevant anymore?

      We have a postman collection mainly for testers to manually verify certain aspect of a otherwise fairly unit and end-to-end test covered API.

      • mrdootdoot 9 hours ago
        Have you considered converting this to an actual test suite in $language with AI doing the majority of the work?
        • Mashimo 9 hours ago
          No, not really. It's already unit and end-to-end tested.

          But sometimes the tester needs to make a test where they create something via the official API to use it in other parts of the app. They just open Postman (soon to be replaced), select the collection, select the server, select POST-item and of the the races. Not everything needs to be AI.

          We could vibe code something specific for our needs, but that would be more or less again just end up something like postman again? At least I currently don't have the vision to see a big change.

        • upmostly 8 hours ago
          <finger pointing up>

          This.

          Why do you have a collection that is passed to humans for manual testing in the age of agents?

          • Mashimo 8 hours ago
            See my other respons to parent.
            • upmostly 7 hours ago
              I did, and you really should take a step back and ask an LLM how it can automate what you're doing manually as described above. You'd be surprised what's possible now.
      • mkesper 10 hours ago
        Export to curl?
        • Mashimo 10 hours ago
          They are testers, not devs. They don't know how to use command line, or edit environment variables.
    • vr46 11 hours ago
      You're not wrong - I bought a Bruno "Golden Edition" for $9 two years ago pre-release... and... I just don't use it. I'm not even sure why I keep it around, at 524.5 MB

      ...and... it's gone

      • upmostly 11 hours ago
        That's an interesting point. I wonder if over the next X years consumers will free up ALOT of disk space by just using agents and not needing to download and install desktop software.

        Full disclosure, I'm building a desktop app called DB Pro [1] which is a modern desktop database client.

        We're still doing well, and selling a lot, but we're having to think about what the next 2/3/4/5 years look like...

        [1] https://dbpro.app

        • ethbr1 10 hours ago
          > if over the next X years consumers will free up ALOT of disk space by just using agents and not needing to download and install desktop software

          Trading bits you own for rented redundant compute to recreate same seems... suboptimal?

          How much power should we burn on everyone's agent recreating curl?*

          * yes, agents have tools, but what is and isn't an agent tool is a gray area. "Desktop software" could be an agent tool with a human UI.

        • Muromec 10 hours ago
          You will own nothing and be happy they said
          • speed_spread 8 hours ago
            The things you own often end up owning _you_. Thus owning less stuff can mean being more free. Keep the essentials, wing the rest as you go.
    • rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 11 hours ago
      I'm thinking the same thing, I haven't have a need for a tool like Postman in a long time, prompting is enough at this point. I wonder what features others use from Postman that an agent can't do quickly.
      • ihavesomeexampl 11 hours ago
        Quickly eye-balling onprem responses, skipping over UIs and just eyeballing data in general is really useful. Curl can do it but with a couple headers it becomes messy, also RPCs, websockets, etc. It’s just convenient to have a single place where you can eyeball all comms.
        • ihavesomeexampl 8 hours ago
          This in fact makes me wonder if there is a good “operations center” not just “dashboard” but for all the dev things, websockets triggering, db stats, running queries etc. We have many semi-custom onprems, they do not behave properly as a fleet I cannot just act like they are cattle. These servers contain many products in many configurations. It’s all quite messy..

          I find the CPU/disk space dashboards useless. Stuff like monit is useful but status of literal OS services is only part of the picture. There are many layers here and I sometimes wonder how others do this. Surely not all companies just have disposable fleets of “serverless” things?

  • jplunien 13 hours ago
  • lucasoshiro 6 hours ago
    I don't understand why REST clients are so overcomplicated... We only need an interface for cURL, we don't need cloud synchronization, creating servers, grouping by namespace (or environment, or session, or call what you want), electron, JVM and so on. A simple native app would do the job.
  • sumedh 11 hours ago
    Looking at such ugly UI breaks my heart :(
    • tpoindex 7 hours ago
      I always feel like some sort of crude brute when I read comments like this. I appreciate a good, modern UI/UX, but will always choose a tool that works well and is FOSS, despite any "last decade" look.

      Several years ago when I was developing HTTP/RPC apps, I found MilkMan and never used Postman again.

  • Jackson98Tom 11 hours ago
    Have you ever heard about Bruno?
    • x3ro 11 hours ago
      Came here to say this. While not perfect, Bruno is certainly the best tool in this category that I have used :)
  • hmng 7 hours ago
    For something lightweight and with a native look on Mac, I use http://mmattozzi.github.io/cocoa-rest-client/ Only HTTP/Rest but that's all I need.
  • creativeSlumber 6 hours ago
    These days I mostly ask my coding agent to test the APIs. It can use curl create the request, attach all the cookies, whatever is necessary, and send the request, look at the response to all the testing I need. And if I need to manually test something, I ask it to give me a curl command that I can run.
  • Offirmo 12 hours ago
    What is better than the existing, established alternatives https://www.usebruno.com/ and https://insomnia.rest/ ?
  • WallWextra 9 hours ago
    These kinds of things are prime candidate for vibe coding; I don't understand why I would use someone else's. I have a native swift postman ripoff which hardcodes exactly the APIs I'm interested in, and is full of convenience features that make sense to nobody but me.

    Sad for all the better postman alternatives, but very happy that postman is in trouble.

    • upmostly 8 hours ago
      Postman as a company will be dead in 2 years.
  • hn_submit 9 hours ago
    How about writing it in C++ or Rust and doing away completely with huge memory footprint and long startup times. Java also needs a runtime, which is bothersome.

    I suggest using wxWidgets or Qt so you get multi-platform support for free.

  • hobo123 10 hours ago
    By the time I decided I should maybe try postman, I was absolutely turned off that it wants you to setup an account (for what?).

    Went with Insomnia instead (which IIRC also wants an account now?) and now just some text-mode VSCode http client.

  • splittydev 10 hours ago
    When I saw the UI, my first thought was "is that written in Java"? And indeed, it is. Kinda funny that it's so easy to spot that language based on its horrible default UI skins alone.
  • ivanjermakov 10 hours ago
    > New features regularly. There are more and more plugins/features coming.

    Why all software needs to constantly evolve and grow with features? This is how you end up with what Postman has become.

  • shaaaade 10 hours ago
    I wish the milkman would deliver my milk... In the morning...
    • fbnlsr 10 hours ago
      You have so many machines Richard
  • herpderperator 12 hours ago
    The author appears to be suggesting that a key difference between Bruno and Insomnia is that Milkman not written in JavaScript/Electron, but rather JavaFx (i.e., Java) and thus is faster.
  • yamapikarya 7 hours ago
    i like bruno. it just works and easy to use. at least it is much better than postman
  • mrdootdoot 9 hours ago
    Isn’t testing an API just more test cases that Claude toils through? Why do I care about milkman Bruno or postman.
  • manveerc 12 hours ago
    What’s next garbageman?

    Jokes aside, why is it better?

  • bluerooibos 9 hours ago
    Oof, outdated UI (website and platform).

    No excuse for this in 2026 tbh - get Claude to implement a dark and light mode in tailwind and pick a colour theme. It doesn't mean the product is trash but it's a poor first impression.

    • gottagocode 7 hours ago
      In 2026, a website that hasn't been designed to match every other AI slopped up UI is a poor first impression?
  • 7734128 12 hours ago
    Your GUI screenshots are squished on mobile. Stretched vertically.
  • ehosca 9 hours ago
    when will it run on AmigaOS?
  • dankobgd 10 hours ago
    i hate this more than electron
  • elAhmo 10 hours ago
    Yet another Postman alternative...
  • akshit-bansal11 11 hours ago
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  • OhNoNotAgain_99 11 hours ago
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