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  • joefourier 36 minutes ago
    > Humans, by contrast, have ~100T parameters (counting each synapse as a weight) and learn from just ~200M tokens, a tokens per parameter of 1:500,000.

    I don’t think that’s a fair comparison since (as far as I know) humans aren’t born with randomly initialised neural weights that are setup in a very generic structure, but have at the very least extremely strong inductive biases. I think it’s fair to count the hundreds of millions of years of evolution between the first animals with a primitive neural system and humans today, and the amount of “tokens” that were “trained on” is likely enormous. I think it’s better to consider the 200M tokens as a sort of “fine tuning” to a sort of genetic “pre-training”.

    • derac 23 minutes ago
      That 200M figure needs much more justification as well, humans recieve huge amounts of data through their senses, particularly vision and touch.
      • smokel 6 minutes ago
        A nice source for this might be "The unbearable slowness of being: Why do we live at 10 bits/s?" [1].

        A lot of people seem to think that training is limited to the 10 bits/s of processing mentioned here. But raw sensor input (mostly visual) is in the order of 21 quadrillion bits per year, according to the same paper. It seems likely to me that learning uses much more data than is ultimately expressed in behaviour.

        [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S089662732...

    • spwa4 34 minutes ago
      If those tokens were to be passed on they'd have to be encoded somewhere, like DNA. And in DNA, there's no room. So ... where are they?
      • derac 25 minutes ago
        The data is massively compressed and pruned. Where are the input tokens in an LLM?
      • dingaling911 31 minutes ago
        DNA is probably the seed for the random initialization.
        • wernam 21 minutes ago
          It's nice to throw around claims like that, or like "microtubules connect the brain the quantum realm" (Penrose). Fortunately that's not how science works.
          • dingaling911 18 minutes ago
            Science starts with a hypothesis. If DNA has everything encoded, then it stands to reason that it influences the initial state of the brain.
            • wernam 7 minutes ago
              > If DNA has everything encoded

              It is not. There are many biological examples of random processes generating patterns and weights, such tiger stripes, fingerprints, etc. DNA only encodes the reaction, but the pattern itself is seeded by initial position of random molecules, not the DNA.

              > that it influences the initial state of the brain.

              You've gone from "DNA is probably the seed for the random initialization", as in the deterministic seed for a PRNG, to "influences". Those are 2 different claims.

              Most scientists will agree that DNA encodes the large-scale connectivity in the brain, ie from region to region, thickness of corpus callosum etc.

              Most scientists will disagree that it is "probable" that DNA encodes/seeds the weights of each and every synapse.

      • zardo 4 minutes ago
        Tokens being passed on would be what, you close your eyes and experience your ancestors lives?
  • notlibrary 18 minutes ago
    The planet has 20 quadrillions of ants
    • smokel 3 minutes ago
      And several thousand quadrillon grains of sand.
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  • perching_aix 30 minutes ago
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