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  • 0c3ca83 44 minutes ago
    Yes. It removes political power. As a thought experiment, what happens when sanitation workers go on strike? What would happen if all trash collection was automated?

    What happens when a group of people goes from the driver's of the economy to a cost center?

    • psadri 14 minutes ago
      Perhaps the real answer is people’s buying power. If people can’t withhold their work, they could withhold their spending, ie boycott misbehaving entities.
      • 10111001 1 minute ago
        >> Yes. It removes political power. As a thought experiment, what happens when sanitation workers go on strike? What would happen if all trash collection was automated?

        >> What happens when a group of people goes from the driver's of the economy to a cost center?

        > Perhaps the real answer is people’s buying power. If people can’t withhold their work, they could withhold their spending, ie boycott misbehaving entities.

        But if they don't have work, they won't have buying power to withhold. Post AI-displacement, the economy will reorient around serving the people who still have buying power (the oligarchs and their hangers-on).

    • jongjong 31 minutes ago
      No it doesn't. People can still protest, block roads, boycott etc... If they get UBI/UHI, they will have more time to engage politically too (in a productive way).
    • augment_me 37 minutes ago
      I think the economically rational choice is re-education of the group into value-providing employment and mass extermination of those that refuse.

      Otherwise you might end up with disruptive things like protests, blockage of value creating infrastructure, etc.

      Another less dramatic option would be containment in prisons or similar where minimal costs can be incurred.

      • ElProlactin 31 minutes ago
        The irony of comments like this is that the vast majority of people who make them would not be in the group they think they belong to.
      • drivebyhooting 32 minutes ago
        Don’t be daft. All that man power would be excellent for bolstering the army and invading neighboring countries.

        I imagine a human body will still be cheaper and more agile than robots for a long while.

        • altcognito 18 minutes ago
          Russian typing detected.
  • arnon 7 minutes ago
    there was also a report i co-authored that talked about the tax implication, at least as of 2025 [1]

    [1] https://get.paid.ai/hubfs/The%20$2.7%20Billion%20Agent%20Tax...

  • verdverm 1 hour ago
    We only need look at what the computer did to many (60%) non-college educated people who have difficultly finding meaningful work which can provide for a family.

    Daron Acemoglu is talking about this and Building Pro-Worker AI. His 2024 Nobel Prize lecture is quite good (as are his fellow laureates that year)

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w34854

    • nevdka 11 minutes ago
      Why would you assume that was the fault of computers? There are many social, economic, and policy changes that would have much larger effects.
  • cadamsdotcom 38 minutes ago
    Change hurts those who don't move with the change. Nothing has changed.
    • noufalibrahim 10 minutes ago
      Of course. This has been proven again and again on the economic level. People have to let go of old skills and learn new ones to survive.

      For AI though, there is a mental angle which is being discussed now (brain gyms etc.) which was an early concern of mine. When we make something, there is an tangible value created for the buyer/consumer but there is also a more subtle positive effect the on the builder/maker. e.g. even if it's it's cheaper, faster, (and in an imaginary worlds), more healthy to buy packaged food, sitting down and making it subtly changes the chef who makes the food. Sort of the motivation for a grandmother baking a cake for her grandkids.

      I've been able to realise many of my abandoned projects due to AI. I can spin up a few agents and have them build things completely without intervention more or less. Many of these are programs I use daily. This is definitely huge. However, I remember the kick of struggling with problems during projects which was where most, if not all, the learning happened. All that experience is what makes me able to command and control these agents properly. It had an effect on me beyond the outcome (most of the projects are dead/abandoned anyway). Another example - I remember an old company called "Bond" which had a robot to create stationery using a calligraphic hand. Contrast that to the almost spiritual effect doing calligraphy has on a master penman. Using automation to create fine calligraphy gets you the former but the individual and society loses the latter. It's not immediately clear to me what the end result will be but I do feel that a lot is being lost.

      This is the problem.

    • axitanull 14 minutes ago
      This cliche keeps getting repeated, but it offers no actual insight and ignores all nuances.
  • jdprgm 19 minutes ago
    how the hell does paywalled content possibly get upvoted more than downvoted. are there really that many economist.com subscribers here?
    • EtienneK 16 minutes ago
      You can’t downvote submissions on HN.
      • bezier-curve 12 minutes ago
        Actually, you can't unless you meet a karma threshold. I have been on this site for 6 years and I still haven't reached it because my opinions are too controversial (apparently).