What Is the Karakoram Anomaly?

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76 points | by thunderbong 2 days ago

5 comments

  • likoya 8 hours ago
    That place and the Kashmir valley are some of the prettiest landscapes on the planet
    • specproc 4 hours ago
      Aye, I didn't get as far north as Gilgit, but I've been around the block a few times, and I've never seen anything like NW Pakistan.
      • hammock 3 hours ago
        Is it safe to visit the region as a mountaineer tourist, these days?
        • asphodele 3 hours ago
          There's a documentary, "The Last Mountain", about the sister and father of Tom Ballard, who died on Nanga Parbat, going out there to see where he did his final climb. It gives an idea of what it is like to visit.

          Incidentally, Tom Ballard was the son of Alison Hargreaves, who died on K2.

  • argee 12 hours ago
    > In the Karakoram (pronounced keh·ruh·kaw·ruhm) Range—a mountainous region straddling the borders of Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and China…

    Non-sequitur but no one pronounces it like that in those regions.

    On another note katsu (pronounced cat-sue) is a dish you should try in Japan.

    • crossroadsguy 5 hours ago
      They never bother to make an effort. All these decades and they still say "Gey-ndi" and "Jeena" and as if they will get constipated if they learn to pronouce country names correctly. It's not "Pack-istan. They just don't care. I am from India and whenever I hear any of them say that country name, or say Aef-gan-istan, or Eye-ran (that gan, ran are as in "run ran run"), I feel like reaching into the screen or the earpiece and deliver a hard one across one of the speaker's cheeks and hopefully being isnpired by Gey-ndi they'd offer the other one.
      • tsimionescu 3 hours ago
        The English name of the country of ایران is Iran, pronounced "eye-ran", there's nothing wrong about that. Just like the English name of the country which calls itself Deutchsland is Germany. And the French name of the country that calls itself England is Angleterre, and the Japanese name for China is 中国 (chuugoku).

        There is nothing wrong or weird about exonyms. Sometimes they happen to be relatively close to the endonym, sometimes they are not.

        • BeetleB 2 hours ago
          > The English name of the country of ایران is Iran, pronounced "eye-ran"

          This is an American thing. The British have been pronouncing it E-ran since forever.

          • momoschili 1 hour ago
            It's one of many words that are pronounced differently in British English than American English.
      • baxtr 3 hours ago
        Everyone says Germany except for the Germans! And those I know couldn’t care less.

        It’s easy to insinuate that people aren’t making an effort. But maybe it’s says more about the person on the receiving end than the person "who is not making the effort".

        • pakl 2 hours ago
          For “Germany”, the Spaniards say Alemania, the French say l’Allemagne and Arabic goes along with ألمانيا
          • yetihehe 1 hour ago
            Poles say "Niemcy", which essentially means "mute people".
            • baxtr 1 hour ago
              There you go! And only Ze Germans say Deutschland
      • BeetleB 2 hours ago
        For me the hilarious one was Abbottabad - where Bin Ladin was killed. Everyone pronounced it A-Bot-A-Bad.

        None of them knew that it's actually named after a British person (Abbott), and the first part is pronounced that way (as in Abbott and Costello).

      • argee 3 hours ago
        It's best to have a light hearted attitude about these things (that's why I added a joke). The vast majority of people don't even know their pronunciation might be different from others', ignorance is very human. It isn't malice, though, and even if people did make an effort they would be the odd one out.

        One interesting example of a blanket change is the N-word. As expected, it wasn't a grassroots movement but a mass publicized event and collective experience that made it happen.

        If people's ignorance makes you angry you're in for a miserable and likely hypocritical life.

    • s20n 12 hours ago
      I don't know where they even got that pronunciation from. The wikipedia page says "Karakoram (English: /ˌkɑːrəˈkɔːrəm, ˌkær-/, Urdu: [kaːɾaːkoːɾəm])"

      none of which is [kerəkɑːrəm] as the author suggests

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram

      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Karakoram

      • bradrn 9 hours ago
        I would naturally read ⟨aw⟩ as /oː/ (as in e.g. ⟨hawk⟩), rather than /ɑː/. The weird part is the [e] — the only thing I can suggest is that they’re one of those people who raise /æ/ to [e] in some positions.
        • arbituram 4 hours ago
          This whole thread is a comedy of errors stemming from different English pronunciation variants. The author of the original article evidently has the full Mary/marry/merry merger but maintains the cot/caught distinction, so "keh·ruh·kaw·ruhm" seems like a natural way of spelling the pronunciation. GP has the cot/caught merger but does not merge Mary/marry, so they read "keh·ruh·kaw·ruhm" as [kerəkɑːrəm] and understood this as distinct from Wikipedia's kær- pronunciation. And you don't have the cot/caught merger or the Mary/marry merger.
      • ragall 41 minutes ago
        You can listen to two native speakers on Forvo: https://forvo.com/search/%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%B1%D9%8....
    • ktimespi 11 hours ago
      Yeah, I agree. Funnily enough, Katsu isn't pronounced that way either XD (it's pronounced cawt-sue)
      • argee 11 hours ago
        That's the joke!
        • ktimespi 10 hours ago
          it's so over for me lol
  • teiferer 7 hours ago
    In principle, this in not surprising. Throw 100 normal-distributed values at the number line with mean 1 and std deviation 2 and some will end up below 0. The higher you make the mean, the fewer will end up negative and eventually it's unlikely (though still possible) one does.
  • veunes 9 hours ago
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