Muse Spark Open

(research.meta.ai)

222 points | by bigwheels 1 hour ago

39 comments

  • a11r 10 minutes ago
    Artificial analysis shows this: underperforming Qwen3.8 Flash Next and GLM 5.3 Flash, both of which you can run on a single B300 . I think Meta has a bit of catching up to do in the open-weight space.

    As an aside, it's really unfortunate that artificial analysis only provides comparison at the highest reasoning level, which is mostly unusable for high-volume production use cases. I would really like them to start providing comparisons at low and medium reasoning levels across these models because those tend to be the ones that actually get used in production.

  • seizethecheese 19 minutes ago
    Since there are many comments here arguing that this is not open weight, I looked at the license. Basically, you're free to use this except this clause:

    > If the Licensee or any of its affiliates provide a third party with access to artificial intelligence models as a product or service, via API or a similar interface, where the third party receives outputs of such models (“Model as a Service”), and the aggregate gross revenue of the Licensee and its affiliates exceeds twenty (20) million US dollars (or the equivalent in other currencies) during any consecutive twelve (12) month period, the Licensee must notify Meta and enter into a separate written agreement with Meta before offering the Software or any Derivatives as part of that Model as a Service business. This Section 3 does not apply to (a) internal use, research, or any commercial activity that is not Model as a Service, or (b) the Licensee's use of the Software as a component to power features of the Licensee's own product or service that is not a Model as a Service.

    They're allowing the use of this in commercial products, just not selling the model directly.

    • fhd2 14 minutes ago
      Unless the total (!) revenue of the provider is under 20 MM USD, eh? Not exactly fully open, but not _that_ harsh.
      • ithkuil 11 minutes ago
        Even if your revenue exceeds 20MM you can still use this model from inside a commercial product but you can't expose it directly as a "model as a service"
  • armcat 1 hour ago
    They've done considerable effort in making sure this model can run on basically every model runner, from Unsloth to MLX, https://dev.meta.ai/docs/muse-spark-open/deploy
    • nico 27 minutes ago
      Anyone who has tried a smaller/quantized version locally on apple silicon? Would love to know your experience, also tk/s on what hardware specs?
    • alberth 32 minutes ago
      As someone not in the loop, can you explain more of what you mean.
      • mixtureoftakes 30 minutes ago
        day one support for all inference engines so that whichever kind of capable computer you have, you can run it. you do need a really capable computer though
        • mcphage 28 minutes ago
          > you do need a really capable computer though

          They suggest a pair of Mac Studios w/ M5 Ultra chips and 512 GB of RAM. A single Mac Studio w/ M5 Ultra and half that RAM (256 GB) is around $11k, and the 512 GB option isn't even available yet. So.... yeah.

      • armcat 26 minutes ago
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    • twitexplore 36 minutes ago
      Yes, but still, what about users looking for NPU support. What happened to Microsoft's copilot+ PC campaign? (the NPU hardware, not the logo key and ad campaign) AMD's XDNA2 NPU is best supported by ONNX, I think Qualcomm Hexagon is too. The best consumer unified architectures are Apple, AMD ai+ and Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite, even intel has an NPU offering.
      • d2kx 26 minutes ago
        NPUs are meant for tiny, tiny models that can run basically at all times but cannot affect battery life (e.g. translation, live-video cleanup, filesearch etc.), not for big LLMs. This is about 500 times to large for a NPU.
      • BlackRabbit1 13 minutes ago
        NPUs you can find in AMD high-end CPUs are closer to specialized DSPs (basically big VLIW/SIMD vector units).
  • swalsh 1 hour ago
    Like I said last week. I think zucks original llama thesis is proving more correct by the week. The rent market on intelligence never materialized, if you have THE frontier model, you can charge rent (for a few weeks, maybe month). But after a certain capability level it's price that drives the decision.

    Zuck is doing the thing he's really good at, and building a moat around the network (Muse is VERY sticky), and now that we're all going to standardize on Meta's model, we're going to optimize the heck out of the infra to run the model making it cheaper for him to scale, thus bringing in more participants to his network, and thus making his network more valuable.

    Meta is going to win consumer AI.

    • theturtletalks 42 minutes ago
      If you’re falling for “sticky” interfaces, you’re not going make it. Your competitor won’t have the stickiness and the ability to use any harness and that will overcome Muse in the long-run. Let’s not forget, Muse is a close to SOTA model right now, but so was Google, and now they’re irrelevant. Google is one of many funded models that were close to SOTA, but we realized it’s benchmaxxed.

      People are going to say that it doesn’t matter if you’re the best. If Muse, Grokbot, and Dot are able to reach mass appeal, it doesn’t matter if a person using a custom harness is better.

      I respectfully disagree. There is a big difference between someone that’s running a custom harness that’s almost like a personal OS versus someone using something out of the box. And if you’re for using this to run your business, think for yourself who’s going to win, the person customizing everything or the one using what the big corps give you.

      • captainclam 29 minutes ago
        These are good points, though OP did specifically say that Meta is going to win "consumer" AI. I don't think the average consumer of AI is going to ever have to think about harnesses or worry about SOTA, they really will continue to interact with whatever is stickiest.
        • itissid 23 minutes ago
          This exactly. The "harness" for consumer is not well defined but likely quite sticky if someone can build one. Meta is better positioned with its reach of whatsapp etc unlike anyone to try this.

          Meta being meta, will likely run this as an "experiment mode" for 6 months to an year and if it does not work scrap it all and move onto the next thing.

          There is a risk ofc muse does not work. But there is a good chance that with the ridiculous number of product teams doing A/B testing with insane number of people already on it, something will emerge that is interesting in a way it never could for their erstwhile Ar/VR foray.

      • apsurd 27 minutes ago
        > And if you’re for using this to run your business, think for yourself who’s going to win...

        That's not consumer AI though. The whole "vs out of the box" is pretty much the definition of consumer AI. People don't want to fiddle with things. That's why UX matters. SOTA only matters in consumer if it translates to the UX. And no one has landed that yet. Many are working on it.

      • xnx 24 minutes ago
        > Google, and now they’re irrelevant.

        Argon is tied for first at worst.

        > Google is one of many funded models that were close to SOTA, but we realized it’s benchmaxxed.

        Who is "we"? Google is the least benchmaxxed.

    • threatofrain 1 hour ago
      Google, Apple, and Microsoft are each in a stronger position to win consumer AI because they're guardians over the foundations of the user's experience. Meta always has to wonder whether they're going to be edged out, like when Apple decided to limit permissions or set new rules on user data handling.

      How has Meta responded? With a failed phone and speculative headset.

      • mcintyre1994 46 minutes ago
        > How has Meta responded? With a failed phone and speculative headset.

        I guess their spin on Muse would be, by building the AI agent that Apple has shown it's nowhere near being able to build

        • threatofrain 44 minutes ago
          Apple responds by waiting and partnering with companies like Google, and treating this as a layer that can be swapped out.
      • skohan 44 minutes ago
        Being one of if not the top advertisers in the world? I think Meta is doing just fine.
      • nisegami 43 minutes ago
        >Google, Apple, and Microsoft are each in a stronger position to win consumer AI because they're guardians over the foundations of the user's experience.

        From everything I've seen, they're all too large and dysfunctional to make a competent play in consumer AI. Anyone in there trying to work on it is too far removed from end product and is answering to too many masters.

        • htrp 30 minutes ago
          That's definitely gemini
      • logicchains 40 minutes ago
        >Google, Apple, and Microsoft are each in a stronger position to win consumer AI

        Microsoft has completely lost the ability to make good software; see Microsoft Teams and what they've done to Windows 11. Apple don't have a foundation models team so they're limited to using other people's models, which handicaps them as they can't do vertical integration like with their other products. Google hasn't made a single competitive consumer product in the past decade, but has certainly killed a few.

    • onlyrealcuzzo 1 minute ago
      > Meta is going to win consumer AI.

      Are you defining consumer AI as just AI as it relates to a narrow subset of social networking?

    • Exoristos 1 hour ago
      So what makes Muse "very sticky"?
      • nater5000 51 minutes ago
        Seriously. Muse hasn't even been around long enough to determine if it is "sticky" in any meaningful way, let alone in the context of competing against frontier models from competitors.

        And based on what I'm seeing, it's far from even being in that category as a service yet. Seems like the OP is conflating seeing a bunch of Muse ads on Facebook with its presence as a competing frontier model.

        • PaulHoule 36 minutes ago
          The ads strike me as basically deceptive. Like when I was in NYC last week the ads showing a cuddly mascot were all over the place. Video ads on YouTube don’t show a Bay Area TurboKnerd geeking out with a top-of-the-line Mac mini to a reskinned OpenClaw (reality) but rather some guy running and talking to his phone to schedule a massage.

          I like the image of Muse and think a product that delivers what it promises to the consumer could be a hit but,,, this looks like something they rolled out in a hurry to take advantage of the FOMO of the uninformed and boost their stock price for a few months until reality catches up. They are a huge company and they could do something only a big company could do but no…

          Like the real mass market product is not going to be a smart shell for a Mac it’s going to be cloud based. Like is it economic for your Mac to be sitting there running all the time when you are using 10%? The true believer say yes, the mass market says no. Is Apple going to let them put a skin on your Mac or is this a product that Apple will embrace and extinguish?

        • redanddead 10 minutes ago
          came out like a week or two ago lol
      • margalabargala 43 minutes ago
        Unfounded assertions by marketing accounts, obviously.
      • casualscience 31 minutes ago
        Muse is not sticky at all, it's just OpenClaw wrapped in meta branding. Any company can roll one out
        • MikhailTal 9 minutes ago
          any company can roll instagram(just simple image viewer) or whatsapp(just messaging) out though with the same logic. Does not mean you can compete
      • radicalbyte 20 minutes ago
        Basically once it has sucked all of your data dry you no longer have the ability to leave the Meta Network.
      • vatsachak 41 minutes ago
        The ecosystem of meta products like Instagram
      • tedggh 56 minutes ago
        Good anthropomorphism.
      • mercacona 42 minutes ago
        Velcro
      • altmanaltman 28 minutes ago
        the bear is sticky with honey
    • vitaflo 45 minutes ago
      > now that we're all going to standardize on Meta's model

      Who's this "we" exactly?

      • cyanydeez 40 minutes ago
        definitely not me; I wouldn't doubt if Zster is working on turning muse into sleeper agents, _assuming_ chinese models will do the same, so they crib data and send it home like a good little maleware model.

        In fact, we're going to see an explosion of the worst kind of AI model thanks to thinks mr Z thinks is in his best interest.

        Remember, they had reports going back more than a decade about how they're harming children and destabilizing entire countries and as soon as Trumps in the whitehouse, they're licking boot.

    • christoff12 8 minutes ago
      I think the jury's still out on whether Muse will be sticky. My guess is that it won't be that good relative to the field.
    • dominotw 3 minutes ago
      >Muse is VERY sticky

      its not. ppl downloaded it in hype arent using anymore

    • baggachipz 25 minutes ago
      There is no winner in a race to the bottom.
    • Catloafdev 45 minutes ago
      > Muse is VERY sticky

      How, exactly?

      • 2001zhaozhao 19 minutes ago
        I think any personal AI agent at this point is "very sticky", not just Muse. You really aren't going to switch when a lot of the value is in the agent memory and there's no easy way to export that, similarly to how you aren't going to switch away from Spotify when it's learned all your song preferences which you can't export. Right now, maybe the agent memory is small enough that if you ask the agent to export you'll get most of it out (Claude has notably made official export instructions to encourage switching from ChatGPT in the past), but in the future the memory will be too large and complex to do that effectively, and platforms could also block the memory export or degrade it deliberately.

        So, in the long run you pretty much have to pick one personal agent and stick with it, and switching is costly (unless you are using an open agent that lets you just download the memory, in which case it actually becomes cheap, because AI agents make other parts of switching way easier in general). For the purposes of Meta this means whatever user they get they'll probably keep.

        HOWEVER, the thing that Muse doesn't have is network effects. They're running into the exact same problem as ChatGPT in this area, IMO. There's no reason for you to be running specifically Muse even if all of your friends are running it. So that gives other vendors a chance to catch up.

        • LUmBULtERA 7 minutes ago
          You can export all your data from OpenAI and Anthropic. I also exported all of my Liked songs on Spotify and have a scheduled task to pull any new ones each day.
    • gieksosz 7 minutes ago
      isn't it a bit early to call Muse sticky?
    • xeyownt 19 minutes ago
      > Meta is going to win consumer AI.

      That zucks.

    • nba456_ 57 minutes ago
      Sounds like cope. You can't claim the 'rent market on intelligence' never materialized when revenue is absolutely booming for Anthropic/etc.
      • mszcz 53 minutes ago
        Sure, just not nearly enough for sustainability I think. I'd reserve that call for the moment we can stop bathing in free VC money by using subscriptions.

        Also, as far as my own use goes, I found that the capabilities/price ratio of DeepSeek's offering is very hard to beat. It's really good enough so the thing that matters to me (besides table stakes like uptime, latency, etc.) is price at this point.

      • wahnfrieden 55 minutes ago
        They are just repeating old tropes about unprofitability without reassessing
        • Hamuko 52 minutes ago
          Do you have a source for Anthropic being profitable?
          • ceroxylon 4 minutes ago
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmarkman/2026/08/17/anthropic...

            Anthropic themselves claim to be profitable, fwiw.

          • stymaar 44 minutes ago
            Of course they are “profitable”, Dario said so last month (if you accept a definition of “profitability” under which every tech startup is profitable by the day they have their first paying customer).
          • _aavaa_ 46 minutes ago
            Do you have proof of unprofitability?
            • stymaar 44 minutes ago
              The fact that Amodei had to invent a new definition of the word “profitable” last month is a strong hint…
              • JumpCrisscross 39 minutes ago
                > Amodei had to invent a new definition of the word “profitable” last month

                Source?

                • stetrain 19 minutes ago
                  https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/anthropic-p...

                  They seem to be reporting gross margin by excluding the cut that cloud providers take for hosting their models, and excluding R&D.

                  Basically they seem to be taking credit for the whole amount that customers are paying cloud providers to run Anthropic models, rather than the actual net proceeds of that business to Anthropic.

            • Hamuko 43 minutes ago
              How about the fact that they're not shouting from the rooftops how they're managing to make money in an industry that is currently mostly known as a giant money fire? Instead they're reporting being profitable "after making certain adjustments", which sounds a lot like "not profitable".
              • JumpCrisscross 38 minutes ago
                > they're reporting being profitable "after making certain adjustments", which sounds a lot like "not profitable"

                Adjusting out stock-based compensation and non-cash expenses is absolutely fine for a company growing at the rate Anthropic is. The concern is more that they cherry picked a couple months when their expenses were abnormally low [1].

                [1] https://www.wheresyoured.at/anthropics-profitability-swindle...

          • JacobAsmuth 45 minutes ago
            If someone gives you one you're just going to say you don't believe it, so why bother?
          • 48488485 44 minutes ago
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    • russli1993 35 minutes ago
      last year was google winning AI, this year is meta winning AI. I think what is true is Meta, Google will all find their place in the AI world and continue to make huge amount of money. A consumer will use many different AI products, each with a different use case. Everyone will make enough money to live well.
    • binlog 39 minutes ago
      > The rent market on intelligence never materialized

      So where is the ~$100B combined revenue for OpenAI and Anthropic coming from? Open weights models have been close enough to the frontier for over a year now, probably longer, yet the $$ shows no sign of shifting.

  • itissid 16 minutes ago
    I think a lot of people in this thread are openly dismissive: "oh its just open claw, anyone can and many have build that".

    I think what they are missing is the fact that there are not that many teams in the world that can deploy muse like product to A/B test a lot of hypothesis at the scale meta can at scale. I mean even if you could get to scale with DC you need a reason for people to use your product.

    My mom and dad and their family have never heard of Claude and don't use chat gpt except once in a while as a search engine. But meta will figure out a way to insert this into modals and feeds to make people stumble and stick on it.

    I am no meta fan, but I think people underestimate how fast product uptake there is for non Dev harness.

    • redanddead 11 minutes ago
      Hmm.. i don't know.

      Coding is the main application for AI in 2026, unless I'm wrong

      • slopnt 4 minutes ago
        yes, but that does not prevent other applications from existing or being successful this year
  • GodelNumbering 17 minutes ago
    39 on AA[1], about the same as Deepseek v4.1 flash and Mimo 2.5 Flash. Behind Glm 5.3 flash and Qwen3.8-Flash-Next [2]

    [1] https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/muse-spark-open

    [2] https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/open-source?models=mimo...

  • devy 43 minutes ago
    re: "Apple’s unified memory architecture lets the M5 Ultra's integrated GPU use up to 512 GB per Mac Studio, so two machines can hold an entire model. And the chip’s 1.2 TB/s of memory bandwidth is fast enough to read the small slice each token needs. The result is two Mac Studios behave like one supercomputer with a terabyte of unified memory."

    At the current market price of Apple Mac Studio Ultra, 30-core CPU + 64-core GPU w/ 256GB RAM is already reaching at around $10k. Keep in mind that computers are appreciating assets recently.

    The 512GB RAM option is not even for sales yet (they said late October availability). Based on typical Apple pricing, it's likely to be around $14k apiece. So we are looking at least $28k - $30k for the setup Muse team is advertising. That's essentially the Nvidia H100 GPU w/ 96GB VRAM/HBM3 at up to 3.94 TB/second memory bandwidth, 3x+ than Mac Studio's Unified Memory speed.

    Also, how did Meta get access to Apple's unreleased M5 Ultra w/512GB RAM Mac Studio? Or is that simply a marketing piece that they wrote purely on specs?

    • dannyw 37 minutes ago
      > Also, how did Meta get access to Apple's unreleased M5 Ultra w/512GB RAM Mac Studio? Or is that simply a marketing piece that they wrote purely on specs?

      It should be well known that Apple provides early access to developers under strict conditions. Otherwise, how do you think they announce new hardware not for sale, and show demos of third party apps taking advantage of such hardware?

      The 512GB is obviously geared towards local LLM crowds. I'm just speculating, but I would be surprised if there's not at least a few devices with the 'ecosystem players' like LM Studio, Unsloth, etc. Of course, they'd never confirm nor deny :)

    • gavino 14 minutes ago
      > Future is for everyone

      So long as you can choose between running AI locally or a new Corolla

    • happyopossum 40 minutes ago
      1024GB of ram is bigger than 96GB of ram.

      Also you are comparing apples to or— dang it, I don’t mean to do that in this thread. Well, it’s a very poor comparison, as they are completely different computing devices with completely different use cases, capabilities, and customer bases. Not to mention power requirements!

    • kart23 29 minutes ago
      how are the Macs connected to each other?
      • kphorn 13 minutes ago
        RDMA over thunderbolt
    • ArmandoAP 38 minutes ago
      • jlhawn 28 minutes ago
        I like how he just casually posts a photo of over $30k worth of equipment on his disk like "this is accessible to everyone!"
  • popinman322 1 hour ago
    The model license requires large inference providers to contact Meta separately to obtain a license to serve the model. I know we've seen this before with other large models, but it's still a bit irritating.

    The usual effect of separate licensing is decreased price competition from public providers (like we saw with Kimi K3). I guess it's better for the providers if the price is fixed: any efficiency improvements directly improve margin rather than driving prices down over time. Still, to provide my own anecdata, the main thing keeping me on a paid subscription is token costs for the more capable models.

    • isityettime 57 minutes ago
      Then it's not open-weight. Open-weight means "weights available under an open-source license", and licenses prohibiting commercial use are not open-source.

      The nearest analogue would be "weights available", I guess.

    • dannyw 29 minutes ago
      There's obvs decreased price competition, but it also does help with ensuring model quality.

      Quite a lot of providers on OpenRouter run degraded or broken models. I think some is deliberate, but I think a lot is just providers not setting up models properly; especially with the rush to day zero models.

    • tcdent 44 minutes ago
      Meta did this from the very beginning with the original Llama's. Open weights, but you have to use an account with them and agree to an EULA.
    • AtHeartEngineer 52 minutes ago
      ya especially because it's huge, you aren't running this on your desktop
  • nirav72 49 minutes ago
    How does this compare to Muse Spark 1.3 contribute? I've used Spark 1.3 a lot lately , since its currently free to use via OpenCode. I haven't had the best experience in the past with models from Meta. But Spark 1.3 is has been surprisingly great. Especially for tool calling.
    • sejje 7 minutes ago
      I used spark 1.3 extensively in prime-agent (a pi derivative) and I thought it was great.

      Speaks nicely, great at driving linux. Not frontier-level coding, but comparable to luna, deepseek. It was amazing for the price.

    • LaurensBER 45 minutes ago
      Please give it a try and let us know ;) judging by the benchmark scores I would not expect too much of a difference.

      Main difference seems to be that this one is cheaper/easier to host.

  • kentm 10 minutes ago
    As an aside I really wish people would stop naming their new software projects “Spark” given how many things already use that name.
  • itsmeduncan 27 minutes ago
    This is great progress for "open-weight" models. Quotes due to the restrictions, but still progress none-the-less. Looking forward to seeing any quants that all mere mortals to run this at home without early access Apple hardware.
  • modeless 22 minutes ago
    In terms of performance it seems like this has somewhat worse benchmarks than Muse Spark 1.3, closer to 1.2 but not the same. Of course significantly worse than Muse Wonder Full.
  • montroser 42 minutes ago
    Well, this is much better than nothing -- we should be grateful that whatever the market conditions and corporate incentives, a major lab is releasing a capable open-weight model. But still very far behind DeepSeek and GLM. Even on consumer hardware, Qwen 3.8 27B is going to compare favorably to this.
    • ShinyLeftPad 34 minutes ago
      It's not open, like the Llama. There is a licensing agreement by which they allow you to use it for free on conditions.
  • ansnadeem 30 minutes ago
    I'm super impressed by how meta has gotten back in the race. They weathered* the storm and actually came out with really good models and products.
  • I_am_tiberius 31 minutes ago
    It's not open!!!
  • tintor 21 minutes ago
    This is not an open model. License is not open license, and only weights are provided.
  • sorenjan 15 minutes ago
    Who would have thought that one of the top American tech companies would boast about how their latest product is the best in class in the US, not the world, because they're behind China.
  • bitexploder 43 minutes ago
    Ehm.. I have a model that runs on my older gaming desktop that scores as well (or better) as this model does on DeepSWE. This model does better than Flash Next in many areas and I am sure is much stronger overall, but hmm.
  • meerita 45 minutes ago
    It's really nice that all AI pages are using canvas animations. A few days ago, Gemma 4's animation wasn't that impressive. Same with Muse. So far, the best animations I've seen are from OpenAI and Anthropic.
  • krawat3 25 minutes ago
    What kind of hardware does one need to run this model? Like a small datacenter node?
  • eknkc 22 minutes ago
    Feels dumber than GLM 5.3 (only open model I use extensively). But is really fast (fireworks.ai).

    Only checked a single, large prompt that already ran today on claude and glm though..

  • karahime 33 minutes ago
    Glad that Meta is back on the open weights train in force.
    • PunchTornado 27 minutes ago
      How is this open weights? Open weights means anyone can use the weights. The license forbids certain categories.
  • xnx 29 minutes ago
    Why is Gemma not in the comparison table?
    • seizethecheese 21 minutes ago
      Probably too small, the comparisons are all larger models.
  • tintor 23 minutes ago
    Given exposed benchmaxxing of several past models from Meta,

    I don't trust any benchmark numbers from Meta anymore.

    • seizethecheese 22 minutes ago
      They completely overhauled their team since then.
  • shinokami 1 hour ago
    i love seeing major ai labs release open-weight models. really hope we'll see more of this from openai and eventually anthropic too.
  • aaroninsf 31 minutes ago
    Never meta.

    Do not run, do not support, do not use.

    • scrollop 22 minutes ago
      I wonder if all the AI companies are making dossiers on their users.

      I would say meta and google definitely are. xAI? Probaly. The others? Perhaps. Perhaps Anthropic less than the others?

  • spwa4 37 minutes ago
    https://huggingface.co/meta-models/Muse-Spark-Open-816B-A42B...

    816B model, A42B active parameters

    Unsloth and Meta have guides on how to run the model, but allow me to summarize: You & Me won't be running this one.

    https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/muse-spark-open

    • hermitShell 12 minutes ago
      Not at an appreciable token rate. I wonder if these large open weight models are considered safer to release for that reason? I'm thinking no because any small to medium size criminal organization or state funded group will be able to cobble together the resources to achieve some kind of runtime. Even at 10 tok/sec, making bioweapons at 10 tok/sec is concerning.
  • sourcecodeplz 45 minutes ago
    from what i understand its somewhere between muse spark 1.3 and 1.2 in some coding benches.
  • sgt101 23 minutes ago
    So: WAR!
  • AuthAuth 47 minutes ago
    Nice a Mastodon shoutout.
  • vatsachak 41 minutes ago
    Zuck is the good guy here. Damn
    • amelius 35 minutes ago
      You don't know what is hiding in the model ...
    • scrollop 20 minutes ago
      By finding another way to siphon user data?

      You trust anything he says?

  • IshKebab 30 minutes ago
    I tried Muse Spark 1.3 for a while because it's so cheap, but it's definitely in a lower league than Astra, Opus 5.5 and Argon. Still produces slop if you try and vibe code with it, whereas the more capable models write good code.
  • Exoristos 1 hour ago
    "Muse Spark Open was optimized to run on Mac Studio with M5 Ultra, and together they’re the best way to run a powerful model on your own desktop."
    • tidbeck 45 minutes ago
      ”Serve the model on either two Mac Studios, with M5 Ultra and 512GB of unified memory; or four Mac Studios with 256GB of unified memory, for a total of 1TB of unified memory, enough to hold a NVFP4 quantized version of Muse Spark Open”

      Can not find any info on inference speed.

    • ryanschaefer 45 minutes ago
      Read it again. Two M5s.

      Wait read that again. Two 512GB, unreleased model M5s.

      This is gonna cost like 50k to run at home.

      • joshstrange 38 minutes ago
        Closer to ~$30K if I had to guess. A 256 version is $11,299.00 (2TB SSD, 256GB RAM, 36-core CPU, 80‑core GPU), so yeah, 4 of those would be close to $50K but the 96->256 RAM upgrade is $4K, if we assume 512 will be double that it's ~$15K/ea.

        But yes, still a massive amount of money and that's before we know the TPS or any other stats.

        • jacquesm 31 minutes ago
          The closest equivalent to something like that is a GB300 based workstation, those go from 90K and up.
      • sorenjan 17 minutes ago
        How much does the engineers at Meta make? Spend enough time together with others making $250k+ and eventually you start suggesting that two 512 GB M5s is something you can put on your desktop. I mean, it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? 10 dollars?
      • dprkh 42 minutes ago
        Why would anyone want to run an LLM on Apple's hardware? Why not buy an NVIDIA GPU?
        • tredre3 37 minutes ago
          Try to find a NVIDIA GPU with 256/512 GB of RAM.
    • pitifulsurround 49 minutes ago
      okay that's gonna be interesting to try
  • cute_boi 53 minutes ago
    can we stop these safety risk.... Feels like gpt 2/3 days, and now we know there wasn't any safety issue with gpt 2/3....
  • nico 28 minutes ago
    But does it play doom? /s

    PS: I might need to do a doom benchmark, that’d be fun https://playground.jeffyclassify.com/#doom

  • binlog 28 minutes ago
    Tech people really are drug addicts. Rant about Zuck and Meta for 364 days a year and then jump over each other to be first in line the moment he shows something shiny.
  • osiris970 55 minutes ago
    US OPEN WEIGHT IS NOT DEAD THANKS ZUCK
    • binlog 26 minutes ago
      Nemotron, Inkling, Gemma, Trinity Large, Snowflake Arctic were all released/updated in the last 6 months, and there are countless other smaller models out there. US open weight is very far from "dead", and certainly doesn't need Zuck as a savior.
    • Hamuko 49 minutes ago
      Is Google not gonna make another Gemma or something?
      • stymaar 42 minutes ago
        Even if they stopped, the Chinese model release hit an all-time high this summer so I think we're good.
      • osiris970 26 minutes ago
        Google doesn’t release big chungus models like this
  • maxdo 1 hour ago
    great, I've been reading series of papers related to open source/open weight LLM Backdoors.

    It's 100% possible, curious when will be the first incident.

    Having something built by entity with HQ in the wester world is always a bit safer. That could be mistral, but they decided to be a consultancy company, not an ai lab.

    • wren6991 51 minutes ago
      Right. The US has famously never installed government-mandated backdoors in security-critical technology like Dual_EC_DRBG.
      • maxdo 22 minutes ago
        everyone is doing backdoors, except eu, they just receive bribes from those who install backdoors.

        the only difference is: the backdoor is made to kill people like you or not. I'd rather have a backdoor that is installed to kill someone on the different continent, e.g Iran leadrship, not in my country/city.

    • bjarnehamre 47 minutes ago
      Link to papers?