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  • john_strinlai 1 hour ago
    it seems crazy to me to steal a famous painting from a museum. the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen, and the transaction would be super high risk. so many easier crimes to commit.
    • dennyabraham 21 minutes ago
      The numbers are higher than you'd expect. The trade in illegal (and so high rarity and limited access) goods is ongoing and flourishing via the use of third party intermediaries like free port systems [1] as well as networks of morally grey curatorial and preservation staff. Several notable archaeological "missing links" of the past few years came from said staff mediating access to private collections of undescribed provenance.

      [1] https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2015/07/01/experts-identify-...

    • tonyedgecombe 1 hour ago
      For a while members of the mafia we’re stealing them to trade against their sentence if they got caught for some other crime.
      • dofm 7 minutes ago
        Or, since it’s a Renoir, maybe they were planning to distribute them as punishment.

        “Thought you were going up in the world, did you Salvo? Oh no, no Armand Guillaumin for you. The boss ain’t pleased and he wants you to know about it. One more screwup and you’ll end up with a face like that”

        • john_strinlai 4 minutes ago
          i saw your other comment, and now this one. i dont really know much about art, and i'd love for you to help me understand your apparent disdain for renoir
      • SoftTalker 22 minutes ago
        Admit to additional crimes in exchange for a lighter sentence? How does that work?
        • goodcanadian 17 minutes ago
          I doubt they admit to anything, but having some information that helps lead to the recovery of a valuable item could be worth something. To be honest, this is the first I have heard of the practice, but it sounds plausible to me.
        • DASD 17 minutes ago
          Crime gravity. If able to provide the solution to a crime that is considered more serious(or of greater value to the prosecuting entity's purview).
    • pelagicAustral 11 minutes ago
      I would've thought thats what crypto was meant for.
    • embedding-shape 14 minutes ago
      > the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen

      Right, but what about your local brick dealer who has 10-50K to waste on whatever? Definitely way more common and easier than you think to unload these sort of things, once you go down in price a lot because of the circumstances.

    • ericmay 13 minutes ago
      There are some “criminals” and criminal gangs and such, but I think the increase we have seen is due to Russia, Iran, and others who are giving extra resources and intelligence to some of these groups to deprive western institutions of their cultural heritage as part of the “hybrid war”.

      Notice how things aren’t being stolen at this magnitude in China? Japan? If we’re Russian or Iranian for example I think this would be a great strategy if you view yourself at a civilizational war. Most of Europe is still asleep or in denial.

      • gvfsa 8 minutes ago
        I know posting deranged tirades about the supernatural powers of Russia is HN’s favourite pastime but this goes way too far.
  • dofm 1 hour ago
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    • ericmay 24 minutes ago
      What are you talking about? Those are some of the best paintings ever created. Anyone trying to tell you different is probably a fascist or communist. Both authoritarian and hate-filled ideologies that have no place in modern or future societies.
      • dofm 18 minutes ago
        Fascists, communists, art critics, and people who can actually paint women’s faces.

        (It’s a joke. Like Birds Aren’t Real)

        • ericmay 16 minutes ago
          I see - sorry I couldn’t tell. There are a lot of lunatics out there.