Powerless F1 drivers frustrated by Bahrain F1 software glitch

(motorsport.com)

41 points | by llm_nerd 45 minutes ago

5 comments

  • jrflo 19 minutes ago
    A question for someone who knows more about F1: Is this firmware shared by all cars? Or some local server at the track the cars connect to? Why is F1 able to control individual cars like this? The article is very light on details as to what exactly is going on...
    • vsskanth 13 minutes ago
      The firmware situation is mixed. The ECU hardware is a standard TAG700 from McLaren. Basically these are software-defined ECUs where you can do whatever. However, FIA has some rules on what you're allowed to modify and has some "compulsory" software in there for monitoring and competition regulatory reasons. It appears there was very limited testing of this module in wet conditions which seems to have affected a lot of vehicles. (I work in Motorsports)
    • fishgoesblub 16 minutes ago
      The FIA has this software to stop teams from creating a form of traction control (which has been banned for a good while now)
      • para_parolu 9 minutes ago
        Why? To increase chances of crashes that produces more views?
    • markus92 14 minutes ago
      They all run the same ECU and the same firmware on it, yeah. Teams can control some parameters though. It's to stop any kind of traction control.
    • junofan 11 minutes ago
      The teams use a single homologated ECU to prevent driver aids. I would assume it doesn’t have a downlink on-track to prevent tampering, but presumably with umbilical cord connected in the garage during red flag they can make changes, which the FIA probably sent over. Who knows.
  • jey 7 minutes ago
    Seems wild that they can code and deploy an update of a critical-seeming component in the field like that. I thought such a firmware update would need extensive QA in the lab, along with root causing why this bug slipped through their processes anyway.

    But maybe that's the difference between shipping a controller for F1 versus shipping one for an industrial or consumer product? shrug.

    • dylan604 1 minute ago
      I'm wondering how good the simulators are. At the start of the season, they were still learning the systems trying to figure out why they were losing power in the straights. So depending on the driver, issues may or may not become apparent. That's like trying to debug why an email can only be sent to a recipient less than 500 miles away.
    • rapidfl 1 minute ago
      It was probably just "config" changes or changing some hard-coded constants. So relatively straightforward.
  • algoth1 18 minutes ago
    I can't not read it as "They vibe coded a patch in 50 minutes". Had they used Sol 6.1 they would still be waiting
    • dante54 16 minutes ago
      Still waiting for 6.1 sol to patch a UI bug as am reading this
  • boredatoms 15 minutes ago
    Time to go back to NA engines, the hybrids don't give the rock concert wall of sound
    • rapidfl 11 minutes ago
      Lets all vent in one more place. How this kind of regs get forced is sad. All the casual fans want something fun to watch. All the serious fans want NA engines. The drivers hate these "power units".
  • h4kunamata 13 minutes ago
    The Enshittification era keeps on giving.

    Moved from one of the most fun auto sports to an EV mess. The fact that they were able to vibe code ( You can't truly deliver a code without testing gates in place, let alone release to production, the cars themselves), tells:

    1: The teams no longer own the car

    2: F1 has become Formula E 2.0

    • superb_dev 7 minutes ago
      F1 teams have never fully owned the car, you’ll notice they all look pretty similar. The FIA has a lot of rules around the construction of the cars
    • LoganDark 8 minutes ago
      Gotta love how people assume software patches have never been prepared in an emergency before LLMs. Ever heard of Apollo 14??