7 comments

  • rgmerk 10 minutes ago
    Look, I get that Elon wants to chase AI, but why not do relatively simple, low-cost things like build a proper 7-seat SUV that uses the Cybertruck platform - or even a properly stretched Model Y platform (rather than the six-seater L)? Or how about a delivery van on a stretched Y platform?

    Tesla's product line is narrow and aging rapidly.

    • yodsanklai 0 minutes ago
      Do they still care about cars though or they're chasing some new things after losing to the Chinese.
    • tehlike 5 minutes ago
      I would also like a 7 seater, but that might be uniquely american concept.
    • jmalicki 4 minutes ago
      Because tesla has always been selling dollars for $0.50. Investing in their product lines doesn't help them, it's always been a grift and a shell game. Some great products have come out of it, but the valuation has never been one where selling more products helps the business, unless it can lead to the hype train.
  • speedgoose 19 minutes ago
    Sorry TSLA holders, it's partly my fault as I got my 5 years old Model Y checked by a third party garage for everything that should be fixed by Tesla before the end of the main warranty period.
    • sippingabonedry 18 minutes ago
      I'm reminded nearly every other day that EVs need no maintenance and should never see the inside of a mechanic's garage.
      • speedgoose 10 minutes ago
        I can't really complain about the maintenance of the EV parts of my cars. I know some EVs fail there too, but my two EVs have been flawless when it comes to the electric drivetrains and the batteries.

        But having an electric car doesn't make salt and potholes magically disappear, unfortunately.

      • drnick1 10 minutes ago
        What maintenance do they actually need? Tires, brakes, wiper blades, air filter, washer fluid? All fairly trivial to DIY. One thing that I would do is disable the cellular modem, to prevent unwanted "upgrades."
        • sippingabonedry 6 minutes ago
          > One thing that I would do is disable the cellular modem

          Is that even possible in modern EVs? Without breaking critical functions like maps, etc.

          • 2III7 0 minutes ago
            That's what Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are for.
        • onedognight 5 minutes ago
          Brakes! They sometimes rust on Teslas due to lack of use.
        • speedgoose 8 minutes ago
          You forgot suspensions.
      • collabs 12 minutes ago
        You still need things like brakes though, right?
        • rlt 2 minutes ago
          They need brakes changed far less often due to regenerative braking.
        • sippingabonedry 10 minutes ago
          Of course. It's a ridiculous notion yet that hasn't stopped anyone from repeating it constantly.

          More than a few times my mechanic has found something pending failure (like a leak) during regularly scheduled ICE maintenance and alerted me to keep an eye on it.

          • jackdoe 4 minutes ago
            when I say EVs need less maintenance I mean things like cylinder honing or clutch slipping.

            do people actually think you buy a tesla and just drive?

  • boyka 16 minutes ago
    Invest the $30B into AI build-out with a company called SpaceX, nice. SpaceX invests some more Cybertrucks, nice.
  • kasperni 49 minutes ago
    It's okay, we're an AI company now.
    • MiroslavPokorny 45 minutes ago
      A taxi company powered by AI auto drivers with ZERO taxis!
      • collabs 20 minutes ago
        I understand not wanting to pay the cost of LiDAR like twelve years ago but the price has come down since then. At this point does it even make sense to stick to cameras? What possible reason is there other than an aging Elmo's ego?

        Even if it prevents like ten deaths, the LiDAR will have paid for itself.

      • zobzu 14 minutes ago
        I take them regularly in SF, twice cheaper than lyft, 4x cheaper than waymo and works fine... it's literally the cheapest other than zoox (free if on tester list, which I am), but it's as fast as Lyft/Uber.
        • kridsdale1 6 minutes ago
          Can I buy life insurance on you?
  • bpodgursky 41 minutes ago
    I'm not convinced Tesla's schizophrenic strategy is any worse than the strategy of the legacy American automakers, which is to sleepwalk directly into a volcano (when Chinese EV manufactures break into the market with $10k SUVs)
    • lnsru 23 minutes ago
      Elon gambled with cybertruck and didn’t won. The winning strategy was to outcompete Chinese with smaller affordable vehicle. I would call it common sense strategy after all.
      • riffraff 20 minutes ago
        The cybertruck was a disaster but I think the main issue is they didn't do any new model after that for almost a decade.

        Also, Musk getting into politics and alienating most of its consumer base, of course.

        • calgoo 13 minutes ago
          That last part is a big thing, especially in Europe where a lot of their sales have almost stopped as no one wants to drive a nazi car.
          • sippingabonedry 0 minutes ago
            > as no one wants to drive a nazi car

            Volkswagen had €322 billion in revenue last year and was literally in every way founded by the Nazi party.

          • DaSHacka 5 minutes ago
            AfD seems to be doing a little too well across the sea for me to believe that
        • zobzu 13 minutes ago
          the only mistake was politics.
      • drnick1 5 minutes ago
        No, the winning strategy was to release a conventional-looking truck, say something that very much looks like an F150 or a Silverado.

        The Cybertruck, or what it should have been, was never meant to be an entry-level truck like the Slate, and the market for trucks clearly shows people are wanting to spent money on big trucks.

      • nialse 16 minutes ago
        The interesting part is that small affordable EVs was Teslas initial goal IIRC. Changing horses in the middle of the stream just did not workout? I’m sure Tesla will be fine in the end though. There is always someone coming to the rescue.
      • miohtama 17 minutes ago
        Cybertruck technology ended up in cybercab and semi, so whether the vehicle itself won might not be relevant in long run.
        • Hamuko 16 minutes ago
          Two other vehicles that barely exist?
      • kelseyfrog 14 minutes ago
        Buying a Tesla vehicle (or not) became a referendum on Elon himself. It became a small personal action one could take to feel like you could actually do something that had an effect. Whether or not it accomplished the goal is precisely the center of debate, but regardless, the feeling was real.
    • noncoml 15 minutes ago
      The difference is in the valuation of those vs TSLA
    • redanddead 26 minutes ago
      The tariffs will save us
      • nialse 14 minutes ago
        Tariffs in the US will be just effective as the EU EV tariffs. It will protect the industry for some time, and at the same time make it go stale and irrelevant.
  • ulfw 44 minutes ago
    Time to become SpAIceXTeslAI

    Valuation +420%. Easily.

    • Ekaros 12 minutes ago
      Sadly solar roofs was dumped. So can't include boring company there. Just imagine what could have been. Under ground solar roadways.
      • ulfw 12 minutes ago
        +69,000% in that case. Like with his S3XY cars. Oh well.
    • tosti 18 minutes ago
      Large shiney rock pile awaits!
    • nialse 13 minutes ago
      SpacetAxI? (Sorry, not sorry)
  • sidcool 37 minutes ago
    Electrek has gone completely biased with Tesla. They have done so bad, that even if this is true, I'd take it with a fistful of salt.
    • 3eb7988a1663 27 minutes ago
      The entire post is that Tesla setup $30B in loans that it could potentially use. What salt should I be taking?
      • sidcool 14 minutes ago
        Read their prior Tesla posts. They are all negative.
      • lazzlazzlazz 23 minutes ago
        Did you read the post? It's all framed as "worrying". It's a very biased, thoughtless piece.
      • sippingabonedry 12 minutes ago
        Every Tesla post on that site is doomerism. What's worse is they're posted here 3x a week. We get it.
    • franciscop 31 minutes ago
      I was going to comment exactly the same. They used to be all about Tesla, and now they're basically all against Tesla. It's very shocking to see this turn of the editorial approach for a company that did change the full industry. It is true and well known that hate DOES bring more eyeballs than reporting the good news though, and this seems to be a well known bias against Tesla.
    • zobzu 16 minutes ago
      but reddit says tesla bad because Elon bad
      • DaSHacka 7 minutes ago
        The funniest thing is how they used to eschew the complete opposite when elon was "funny memer man who's tony stark IRL"