5 comments

  • sien 25 minutes ago
    Good on Google.

    Finland has low emissions from electricity :

    https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/all/yearly

    71 gC02eq/kwH

    France, Sweden and Norway look like good places for data centres in Europe too on the basis of low electricity emissions.

    • marginalia_nu 19 minutes ago
      At least Sweden is struggling a lot with scaling its power production, to the point where it's a problem for existing and new industries and causing some rather extreme price volatility.

      A lot of the green energy is from hydro dams and you can't really add new rivers to the geography to support additional industry.

    • dakolli 2 minutes ago
      Maybe it should be in your backyard.
  • diggernet 20 minutes ago
    Oh good. Then Google will be "clean", while countless homes will be getting their power from coal or whatever instead of this nuclear plant.
    • johnnyApplePRNG 14 minutes ago
      Yes let's shame corporations for spending money on and supporting things that need more support. /s
      • ericmay 2 minutes ago
        Somehow folks want this little problem of climate change to go away without any change in their own behaviors. Somehow corporations who sell them goods will just magically "be green" while flying around the world and drinking out of plastic bottles and subscribing to the latest fast-fashion website. But then when the corporations say "yes we should be green" that's a problem too. You just can't please some people, they're just here to complain, not actually see anything positive in the world.
        • kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 0 minutes ago
          Don't forget that they buy countless things from China, who is by a very large margin the largest polluter in the world.
      • vlovich123 9 minutes ago
        It’s unclear. It helps Google with their marketing that they’re a net zero carbon company. But if what’s happening is they’re displacing previous nuclear power users onto dirtier, that’s not really reducing carbon and it’s making it seem like Google isn’t the problem when it actually is - without them that community might otherwise be 100% nuclear and it would be no different from a macro level from Google adding that consumption to dirty sources.
        • jryle70 3 minutes ago
          > they’re displacing previous nuclear power users onto dirtier

          They are not. The plant may not survive beyond 2030 without this order.

    • echelon 15 minutes ago
      It's a market. Why can't someone buy it?

      Why does it matter that homes "aren't clean" while Google is? That's silly. There's going to be the same level of demand no matter what - the same mix of coal and nuclear inputs will happen regardless of where the outflows are. It's fungible.

      More demand will in time result in an increase in supply. That's a good thing. We'll be building a lot more, and it's long overdue.

      • lukeschlather 11 minutes ago
        Google is buying the output because they are increasing demand by half a nuclear power plant's worth of power. I actually think it's pretty reasonable to pass a law demanding they build an entire nuclear power plant here.
        • landl0rd 4 minutes ago
          "The agreement with Fortum provides long-term financial certainty for the Loviisa plant, which currently generates about 10% of Finland's electricity.

          Fortum said Google's commitment would support an investment programme aimed at extending the life of the nuclear station and increasing its generating capacity."

          Long-term PPAs are what you usually want because they are bankable and give you solid demand on which to expand. Which is literally what they're talking about doing.

        • nomel 2 minutes ago
          I think government regulations to put a cap on utility profits is a better long term move. Force excess to be directed into green energy expansion.
      • morkalork 9 minutes ago
        At this point with all the free-market-hand waving going around, it feels like someone telling me that it's not urin raining down on me, just sparkling trickle down economics.
        • echelon 6 minutes ago
          You now have a PhD in your pocket.

          Is that not the miracle of the free market?

          King Richard II would have killed for an iPhone, PS5, air conditioning, and Uber Eats. He'd swap places with you, and he was king. You don't realize how awesome you have it.

          Just a hundred years ago your ancestors were (probably) eating rotten meat and drinking unclean water.

      • vlovich123 12 minutes ago
        You’re assuming a large enough supply that can absorb demand. This is true in China but not generally in the West.

        If supply was just in time constructed so you maybe have only like 10-30% extra vs peak, the 50% of a nuclear power plant shifts the preexisting non-Google demand onto the non-nuclear sources as the plant can no longer meet its non-Google demand. It’s generally no different than if Google acquired that electricity from the available mix rather than the plant directly.

        The thing it gives them is the ability to meet their individual net-0 targets (and thus government incentives) - a local optimization at the cost of a global net negative (at least as far as carbon electricity sources goes)

    • jryle70 5 minutes ago
      The plant may be closed without this Google's order. The cost to keep it running is substantial. I guess that's what you prefer?

      "The Finland deal will ensure that the Loviisa plant keeps operating beyond 2030, the companies said in a statement. Keeping it running until 2050 will require about €1 billion of investments over the years"

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-09-09/google-gi...

  • anthonybourdain 13 minutes ago
    nice - s-1.site
  • api 29 minutes ago
    Far north cool places seem logical for data centers.

    Not Texas and Arizona. Why?

    • augment_me 10 minutes ago
      Southern state has more republicans so it's easier to sell public land or draw this kind of contracts without a massive community backlash
    • faitswulff 26 minutes ago
      Politics means putting job creating infrastructure projects in red states to curry favor with Republican demographics.
      • mcmcmc 18 minutes ago
        Calling data centers “job creating infrastructure” seems like a bit of an oxymoron tbh
        • zdragnar 1 minute ago
          The company my brother works for (fairly small) is involved in the construction and maintenance of the electrical side of the data grid. Apparently they need to hire at least 20 people a month for the foreseeable future to keep up with demand, as they're already booked out with projects into 2030 or something like that.

          Overall, it's not exactly a ton of jobs for how much money is going into them, but it isn't nothing.

    • whall6 12 minutes ago
      1. Cheap natural resource 2. Fiber connectivity 3. Low population density 4. Favorable regulatory environment

      Depending on how far north you mean, you lose all or all but one of the above.

    • 2OEH8eoCRo0 25 minutes ago
      Evap cooling can't be beat
    • seany 24 minutes ago
      * good access to power (this might not mean the cheapest always, but actually getting to it.

      * easy permitting

      * lots of space

      • topato 16 minutes ago
        Which makes Arizona an interesting place to place any new builds of any sort of data center. They’ve been talking about the scarcity of resources there for years, and it’s currently in an escalating tailspin of abundance. Power is cheap as hell there, but once the water dries up… things might change quickly.
        • whall6 10 minutes ago
          New Gen data centers are closed loop and don’t use water at nearly the same rate as previous generations
      • fred_is_fred 11 minutes ago
        North Dakota and Alaska also have lots of space.
        • whall6 9 minutes ago
          Agree with this. Natural gas is effectively free there. Maybe it’s the fiber connectivity that prevents them from being built? I genuinely don’t know.
  • morninglight 13 minutes ago
    Does this mean that no U.S. privacy oriented data will be stored in Finland. No traceable HIPAA data or financial data and no national security data. ... or is it stored in Finland but encoded.