26 comments

  • toast0 20 hours ago
    > It never really took off though, and even back in its early days it saw barely any use. Over the years it just deteriorated further, and today it's basically completely dead.

    It's actually not completely dead... It's just (almost) completely non-public.

    You can subscribe to services to get number porting information where the interface is basically e164.arpa/ENUM queries to a private nameserver over a VPN. I don't know the details, the cost was high enough that it didn't make sense for my employer to pursue it.

    • wolrah 20 hours ago
      It's also not uncommon for telecom providers to use it for their own internal routing because enough telecom software did in fact develop support for it despite lack of public implementations.

      As someone who's been in the VoIP industry for over 20 years it makes me sad to think of what could have been if both ENUM and IPv6 were more widely adopted. For many years you could reach me via email, SIP, or Jabber with the same identifier and if there were effective support for ENUM in the USA my work phone number would have been able to connect you to any of them, directly and with G.722 HD voice long before it eventually came to modern cellular networks.

      • tyromaniac 19 hours ago
        There was a startup called WUPHF that used some telecom wizardry to multicast messages between providers given a single identifier, I'm not sure what happened to it...
        • UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4 hours ago
          I haven’t done that dance since my wife died…
        • pknopf 17 hours ago
          I heard they had a buyer and sold early.
        • skinfaxi 11 hours ago
          Is this a veiled reference to The Office?
      • srejk 19 hours ago
        Can confirm. Work for a major telco and we use ENUM internally.
        • trollbridge 19 hours ago
          Yep. The traffic he got appears to be stuff that should have remained private that leaked to a public network; it's not the first time that's happened, particularly for U.S. military traffic which is accustomed to having its own publicly-routable /8's, as opposed to the rest of us who use non-routable 10, 192, etc. space.
    • lxgr 2 hours ago
      My guess is that this is actually what happened here: Some carrier or VoIP software leaking its DNS queries to the public internet because the service is using is only set up to respond for e.g. NANP (+1) number ranges and the rest is falling through to the public (and largely unused) ENUM.
  • dmd 20 hours ago
    I'm mostly amazed the author didn't land in jail, which is the normally the response to reporting this kind of thing to authorities.
    • jakzurr 18 hours ago
      Whew, absolutely!

      I love the line near the end of the article: "So in the end, I was down 10€ in domain fees, there was sadly no bug bounty (I thankfully didn't get my door kicked in at least)."

      Makes me cringe, imagining what that would be like.

    • contingencies 17 hours ago
      Given the author appears to be a 19 year old German girl, UK bureaucrats proxying admin duties for offshore territories are unlikely to be motivated to start an international extradition for what amounts to a helpful tip.
      • Barbing 16 hours ago
        When you see

          “fun fact: this entire website is written without any javascript […]”
        
        and “19 years old”,

        you know there’s hope for our future.

        • selfmodruntime 14 hours ago
          The entire blog at lina.sh gives me such a fuzzy feeling of the old web.
          • Barbing 11 hours ago
            Didn’t click the links on bottom of homepage but betting many of those sites will give you that same feeling. Web rings! Just great.
            • nicbou 3 hours ago
              This kind of internet is enjoying a small revival and I'm all for it.
      • BobbyTables2 12 hours ago
        If the author was an 35 yr old Nigerian immigrant, would the response have been different?
    • Onavo 3 hours ago
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      • eru 53 minutes ago
        I've had a look at the thread you linked, and I can't see how you get that impression from it.

        The most I can see is you making a silly American-centric remark, and people gently correcting you that there are other places on earth.

  • chaz6 19 hours ago
    It is a shame they did not actually set up a SIP server and see if any of those requests turned into actual call terminations.

    There is another schema called TRIP [1] - telephony routing over ip that uses a number format "1234*1455" designed to be entered on a standard phone keypad. When I registered my ITAD (internet telephony administrative domain, the RHS of a TRIP number) I was lucky enough to get one that matches my local dialling code!

    https://tripresurgence.org/trip/history/ [1]

  • MatthewWilkes 1 hour ago
    The NCSC does give out challenge coins for particularly good reports. I feel like if you get one of those, that will be 10 euros well spent.
  • dkga 16 hours ago
    I enjoyed reading this much more than anything I read here recently. In particular I like how it absolutely shows that somethings just… fall through the cracks!
  • cryptolobster 19 hours ago
    It's funny how such holes can remain for years, and no one notices until someone stumbles upon them. It's interesting that no serious organization wanted to address the issue until it was discovered that the military was involved.

    It's a shame the author wasn't rewarded but at least the story can now be told over a beer.

  • bcx 15 hours ago
    Their homepage, https://lina.sh/, reminds me of the early days of the internet. Are webrings back in fashion? Or is this just a group of old school folks keeping the nostalgia alive?
    • jalict 22 minutes ago
      neocities exploded 2-3 years ago and #smallweb is super active

      loads of webrings also started -- 90s internet is back, just look for it <3

    • fc417fc802 11 hours ago
      There are various subcultures outside the mainstream part of the internet that largely eschew modern web design. Not entirely dissimilar to HN itself.
    • jnmandal 1 hour ago
      Its hip again on some parts of the fediverse.
    • j0ej0ej0e 13 hours ago
      Just 19 too, what a talent!
  • MotoriX 19 hours ago
    Man, you really got lucky they didn’t throw you in jail. Anything related to national defense is pretty scary. Do you think you might get some kind of reward for exposing this vulnerability?
    • edelbitter 12 hours ago
      You never know in Germany. Jail time might still be looming.. after some 3-5 years of delay because the telefax machine at the public prosecutors office is currently broken (and not even for DNS reasons!)
      • notpushkin 5 hours ago
        > because the telefax machine [...] is currently broken (and not even for DNS reasons!)

        Who knows! Maybe it’s working just fine, but the e164.arpa record is pointing to the public prosecutor’s teapot or something.

    • lukan 17 hours ago
      Fortunately it was the national defense of a different country (UK and not germany) so that might have helped.
      • Barbing 16 hours ago
        Don’t know how one could live with themself prosecuting security researchers. Think they’re saving face?
        • _bernd 1 hour ago
          > security researchers

          I don't want the miss the young girls skills but she is no security researcher but in the eyes for her target simple a hacker. And I would say too that she got lucky. It would not be the first time that inexperienced young persona have to suffer the consequences even of their well intended actions.

  • Elfener 4 hours ago
    > skipping the expensive phone network and re-routing calls over the cheap internet instead.

    I find this such a bad idea, if I want to use the cheap internet for a call I would use an internet based voice call system directly, rather than messing around with telephone numbers and I guess potentially accidentally doing an expensive phone call (same with RCS/SMS vs. just using an internet-based chat directly).

    • pseudohadamard 4 hours ago
      People with POTS brains trying to make them do Internet things leads to a neverending stream of bad... no actually, terrible ideas. Look at H.323 for example, something that could only be created by someone who has no clue how the Internet (with firewalls, NAT, etc) works, and that's just the tip of the iceberg for the ITU-T standards stream.

      Having said that, SIP is barely better.

  • shorsher 21 hours ago
    The article mentions Ascension Island, a small island in the south atlantic. There's a really great spy novel that takes places there, Ascension by Oliver Harris.
    • dewey 19 hours ago
      I just finished that recently, I think "A Shadow Intelligence" from the same author is even better so can recommend that too.
  • zeristor 5 hours ago
    I recall about 15 years ago Google had this project about one phone number for the person, things got all tidied away and could never find out much more about it.

    I’d forgotten the keywords of power to find it again. I liked the idea.

    I’m assuming this is is it again.

  • barlow48 3 hours ago
    Newbie question:A malicious actor could simply have MITM'ed the calls the blog states and obtaining the voice traffic. Is that possible because the author had the certificates( since holding the ownership of the domain)?
    • Nextgrid 2 hours ago
      Although you can run SIP over TLS (for signalling) and use SRTP for media (key exchange done over the aforementioned signalling channel), in practice most SIP is over unencrypted UDP and media is unencrypted RTP.

      If you control both endpoints and they support it you can configure them to use encryption, but even then implementation qualities vary widely (just because you enable SIP over TLS doesn’t mean they’ll actually verify the certificates for example - giving you at best opportunistic encryption), and I bet a lot of the implementations also have bugs/vulnerabilities.

      If security is needed, it is often implemented by way of running the whole thing over private links (which can be secured with IPSec or any other VPN technology). In fact that’s presumably what’s happening, but misconfigured equipment making those ENUM lookups would allow the attacker to steer the traffic away from the secure link and towards an endpoint they control over the public internet.

  • trilogic 20 hours ago
    R.I.P You remind me of Mitnick, this is incarnation cause you have the same style verbatim. Glad to know your breed is still active.
  • seri4l 13 hours ago
    So what software could be making these ENUM queries? Any theories?
    • bobmcnamara 10 hours ago
      VoIP phones or telecom software
  • bdavbdav 15 hours ago
    Amazed enum.org.uk hasn’t been scooped by a bot. 4 letters are £££.
  • samteeeee 19 hours ago
    Great story. Gives me nostalgia for the old days of the internet.
  • yellers 9 hours ago
    !remind me 21-Apr-2027.....

    I would not at all be surprised seeing that domain being abandoned again at a renewal in the near future.

  • edm0nd 8 hours ago
    would have been a lot cooler if you leaked the call logs to DDoSecrets instead so the public could see them
  • joncrane 20 hours ago
    Now THIS is what hacking is all about. Very cool.
  • TheFerridge 16 hours ago
    wow incredible story! Reminds me of phone phreaking stories from decades ago!
  • adolph 21 hours ago
    This is a great story. Almost wish the author had dug a little further in and discovered something like Clifford Stoll in The Cuckoo's Egg, but a nice writeup nontheless.

    Makes me wonder how many partly implemented but ignored protocols like this exist.

  • dkga 13 hours ago
    Now a question daunted on me. Assuming away strategies like store-and-decrypt-later-in-a-quantum-future, could a MITM really eavesdrop, as in, aren’t such ARPA-routed phone calls encrypted?
  • brcmthrowaway 19 hours ago
    Why is a phone call making a DNS query?

    Is this related to Softphone / VOIP in any way?

    • somat 16 hours ago
      The article covers it, but to reiterate. Yes, The idea is to have a mechanism to map phone numbers to hosts.

      The normal path for voip phones given a phone number is to end up at a sip trunk provider go over the traditional phone network (which at this point probably routes over the internet anyway) hit another sip trunk and end up at the receiving sip phone.

      This provides a method to bypass the traditional phone network and go directly over the internet. The sip phone looks up the host responsible for that phone number and directly connects. The sip providers would be responsible for maintaining this number to host mapping in dns.

      When you think about it DNS is really just a big distributed phone book, a key value store to look up numbers based on names. The reverse records are a method to look up names based on numbers using that same distributed architecture.

      There is also an interesting legacy architecture interaction here, traditional phones can only enter numbers. Cell phones could use dns names directly(but don't) or we could use ip addresses as a sort of modern phone number(but don't), The whole world was connected via phone numbers and that is now how we expect phones to operate.

    • implements 19 hours ago
      If the phone is behind a NAT firewall / router it may need external help to receive calls: https://support.aa.net.uk/VoIP_NAT
  • hnicrcjk6o 19 hours ago
    Neat
  • ChristmasTomer 4 hours ago
    Honestly the military part isn't even the craziest thing here. It's the fact that this old, basically forgotten tech was still being used by real systems like nothing happened lol.

    Makes you wonder how much ancient telecom stuff is still running somewhere just because nobody touched it in 15 years.

    This doesn't even feel like a hack. More like someone opened an old door and realized nobody had checked if it was locked in forever.

  • tosti 20 hours ago
    > The source IPs were mostly American.

    > So I had accidentally logged hundreds of thousands of phone numbers and timestamps for calls going to military bases.

    That's quite a jump to conclusion right there.

    • matteason 20 hours ago
      Where else would they be calling on Diego Garcia apart from the military base?
      • bobmcnamara 10 hours ago
        Are they still dumping Tamils there?
        • duskwuff 9 hours ago
          You might be thinking of Nauru. Different island.
    • alasdair_ 20 hours ago
      The poster knows the phone numbers that were called. It doesn’t seem difficult to check who owns the numbers.
    • dylan604 20 hours ago
      Not really. It's a pretty logical assumption. It sounds as if you might not be familiar with Diego Garcia?
      • tosti 20 hours ago
        Having looked into the matter, 4000 people live there. It's entirely possible there are subscribers outside the base, so numbers for that area aren't neccesarily terminated at the base. That said, it's likely. Military IT is rumoured to be outdated and awful.
        • RugnirViking 19 hours ago
          no citizens are allowed on diego garcia and the native population was entirely kicked out. You need a very difficult to aquire permit directly from the millitary to land there.

          I'm 99% sure anyone living there is millitary. There were some people fleeing from the sri lankan civil war that landed there and were stuck there for a bunch of years claiming asylum while the millitary tried to figure out what to do with them, but they were sent off the island a while back.

          • tosti 5 hours ago
            Well, obviously everyone knows that!
        • duskwuff 19 hours ago
          > It's entirely possible there are subscribers outside the base

          There are none. The native Chagossians were all expelled in the 1960s-70s.

        • dylan604 19 hours ago
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