The other Sean Byrne doesn't exist

(conic.al)

80 points | by rdl 3 hours ago

8 comments

  • Aozora7 4 minutes ago
    This is one of the obvious consequences of not having a national identity number assigned to everyone at birth, which exist in most developed countries, except for anglosphere, for some reason.
    • reaperducer 2 minutes ago
      for some reason.

      The reason is there. It's no big secret. Pick up a history book.

  • areoform 2 hours ago
    Something like this happened to me and it has cost me $20k+ over time, https://areoform.wordpress.com/2021/08/06/on-apples-expanded...

    Mercury unblocked my accounts because their founder is a very kind man who bothered to verify what the document actually says rather than falling back to, "Computer says no." But everywhere else? De nada. Computer says no.

    And it's not even me. It's a fuzzy match with someone in their 50s. Doesn't matter. Computer says no.

    And I can't "get off the list" because it's not me who's on the list. The computer will always say no.

    In the long run, I'll be fine. I think. But I'll pay $100k+ by the time it's over. These systems are being steadily expanded, as the dumbest incarnations of themselves. We've gone from Thin Thread https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinThread to crappy fuzzy matches on shoddy data executed on with 0 diligence. It's the stupidest possible timeline.

    I think many, many other people will be sharing our fate soon, which is partly why I've been writing about this slow rolling train wreck in motion in bits and pieces.

    • praptak 5 minutes ago
      Terrorism went from "kill one person to scare millions" to "stir shit up to cripple the adversary with the costs of prevention".
    • mock-possum 2 minutes ago
      How can you possibly afford to pay $100k for something like this? That’s so much money!
    • psd1 1 hour ago
      "The evil, I can tolerate; but the stupidity..." -Hubert Farnsworth
  • kazinator 2 hours ago
    You can't seriously match people on first and last name and claim "fully matched".

    Think of how manny John Smiths there are?

    How can this be the company started by Wozniak and Jobs ...

    • cbsmith 1 hour ago
      As a guy named Chris Smith, I can tell you, people do absolutely "match people on first and last name", and it causes me no end of trouble.
      • nephihaha 1 hour ago
        They do unfortunately. I know someone with a more unusual surname who was getting chased for the debt of someone with the same name. It happens.
    • altmanaltman 21 minutes ago
      > How can this be the company started by Wozniak and Jobs ...

      The same Jobs that routinely denied publicly that he was the parent of his daughter, even though he knew? The same Jobs that cheated Wozniak financially? The same Jobs that led to a change in legal legislation on how organ transplants work?

      The world needs to move on from this marketing bs that he was somehow a "great" man who is morally solid and must be doing the right thing. Apple is precisely the company founded by Jobs.

    • p-e-w 27 minutes ago
      You’re presenting this like a mistake born out of incompetence.

      It isn’t. The institutions involved simply don’t care whether they are destroying the lives of random people. At all.

      And why should they? They are completely unaccountable in practice, sometimes even in theory.

  • zhivota 2 hours ago
    Honestly the best thing to do might be to change your name at this point. I'm glad my name is not common, this kind of issue is going to only get worse in the future.
    • grey-area 2 hours ago
      No, the best thing to do is get the press involved and make Apple and ideally the US gov fix their incompetent handling of this.
    • mproud 1 hour ago
      I get phone calls for a guy named Randy about his business. I can’t for the life of me figure out how to make the phone calls stop.

      The simplest solution is to change my phone number. But

      a) why should I have to? it’s my number, dammit!

      b) how many accounts have 2FA? if I changed my number, what if I miss updating one that’s important?

      c) it could happen again

      If I change my number, however, that is the simplest way to solve the problem. It’s just, do I want to?

    • kmoser 2 hours ago
      That is trading one problem for another: when the name on your birth certificate doesn't match the name on your government issued ID, certain other government entities tend to deny you services.
      • derriz 24 minutes ago
        This is the case for me - since the age of 4 or 5. I don’t live in the US but have lived and worked in 3 different countries and the only time it was an issue was getting married. Everything else - bank accounts, drivers license, residency permits, employer background checks, etc were no problem.
      • gucci-on-fleek 1 hour ago
        I would think that changing the last name only should be fine though, since up until somewhat recently, most women changed their last names when they got married, so most systems should be equipped to handle this.
        • nephihaha 1 hour ago
          It used to be very common for migrants to change their surnames, although less so now. There used to be a person who wrote about Scottish Lithuanians called John Millar, who was born as Jonas Stepšys. Noam Chomsky had said that his family's surname was substantially altered after they went to the USA.
          • a57721 28 minutes ago
            And older example: Warner brothers were born as Wonsal (or Wonskolaser), and they changed their names too (Hirsz became Harry, Aaron became Albert).
      • deeplytroubled 9 minutes ago
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  • bryanrasmussen 1 hour ago
    >The Robert Johnson they kept being confused with wasn’t a man named Robert Johnson. It was a known alias of someone convicted of plotting to bomb a Hindu temple and a cinema in Toronto

    Also, sold his soul to the devil at a crossroads, so you gotta be careful.

  • Simon_ORourke 43 minutes ago
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