Shade Map

(shademap.app)

191 points | by fredley 19 hours ago

23 comments

  • Freak_NL 3 hours ago
    This tool uses OpenStreetMap data for the buildings and base layer.

    Unfortunately, it kind of hides that it is doing that, which sucks. Usually the required attribution is placed in a corner of the map. Shade Map has a little information-i there which does appear to list OpenStreetMap according to my browser's dev-tools, but it seems to be broken and gets hidden behind other page elements, so only '© Shade Map |' is visible.

  • siriusastrebe 5 hours ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattanhenge

    There a street in Manhattan that, during a certain time of year the light shines all the way down the grid of buildings. Here's the link to that moment

    https://shademap.app/@40.7426,-73.9841,13.48594z,17839875468...

  • illithid0 18 hours ago
    This is great. I would love a way to simulate something like possible tree placement and how much shade that may generate over the years. There are some parts of my area that are, despite being cut out of a forest, devoid of trees but are supposed to be "outdoor shared spaces".

    Full sun all day at a dog park in August, for example, just isn't a place I want to be.

    • tppiotrowski 16 hours ago
      Site maintainer here. There is a polygon drawing tool in the upper right corner of the map. You can use it to draw polygons on the map and assign them a height. The shadows will update instantly. You can use it to add buildings that are missing from the map, simulate a tree placement or even simulate cutting down a tree if you set the height to 0.
      • illithid0 15 hours ago
        Wow! Can't believe I missed this. Thank you.
  • km3r 11 hours ago
    My friends and I used this for a camping party's solar panel's placement (for charging a battery). A large campsite with intermixed trees makes it hard to find the optimal spot on our own, but this map helped us keep the party going late into the night before we needed to turn on the generator.
    • tppiotrowski 9 hours ago
      Nice. I'm really proud of how fast the annual sunlight calculation is for a location but it def needs better UX.
  • procflora 10 hours ago
    I've seen and loved this before but only today I thought to zoom all the way out and see the true terminator affected by elevation. We usually only seen the idealized smooth curve. Very neat!
  • k3liutZu 1 hour ago
    This is very cool
  • foco_tubi 17 hours ago
    This doesn't look particularly accurate, at least not relative to what I can see right now out my window.
    • tppiotrowski 16 hours ago
      Website creator/maintainer here. Happy to try and diagnose the error if you elaborate on what the discrepancy is (tree, building, hill, etc)...
      • Gallows4574 15 hours ago
        Very cool tool! It's generally accurate, but, there are spots showing shadows where there are no trees or anything at all to cast a shadow, and missing several spots where there are actually trees.

        It's missing a 40' tall ash, a 40' tall maple, and all four 30' tall blue spruce. So they're not exactly small trees. Our septic field is showing as in shadow all day even though there are no trees near it. That shadow doesn't move at all like the rest so I'm not sure what it's detecting.

        • tppiotrowski 15 hours ago
          Sorry about that. The current tree estimate is done via computer vision but I am working on migrating to LiDAR backed data which should eliminate false positives.

          Just waiting for the TBs and TBs of data to download and then this Macbook M4 is going to make some heat...

      • foco_tubi 15 hours ago
        Hi there! My office window faces east and this morning, your map showed shade from the building across the street (correct), as well as shade from my building on the lawn below my window (incorrect).
        • tppiotrowski 15 hours ago
          Thanks for the reply. Do you have a tree or bush outside your window? I estimate where tree shadows fall but it's not super accurate. In the settings dialog you can toggle, "below canopy", "above canopy" or disable tree shadows altogether.
          • fxwin 13 hours ago
            I've seen the setting, and I've seen that you suggest toggling it when tree shadows seem inaccurate, can you elaborate on what that setting does exactly?
            • tppiotrowski 12 hours ago
              "Top of canopy" - view from above like looking down from an airplane window. You won't see any shadows looking down on a forest because you only see sunlight landing on the top of the canopy. Most accurate.

              "Below canopy" - what shadows would look like on the ground. If you're in a dense forest everything is in shadow because the trees obscure the sun. I guesstimate how big and where the below canopy shadows land. Any vegetation that's more than 2 meters tall, I place a shaded area beneath it. Not super accurate because it treats trees like cylinders instead of a sphere/triangle on top of a cylinder.

              "No trees" - only building and terrain shadows are shown on the map.

          • foco_tubi 12 hours ago
            Toggling to no canopy fixes it - palm trees cast little to no shade
  • tonym128 8 hours ago
    This is so awesome, really really well done on the UI and UX.

    I love the game like pixel perfect shadow maps.

    I made a similar site last year - https://tonym128.github.io/peakylight/peakylight.html and used ray casting

  • echoangle 8 hours ago
    I don’t know if the building data is from OSM but some of the buildings in my area are not high enough at all and therefore only make a really small shadow. It’s off by a factor of 3 or so.
    • nullhole 5 hours ago
      Factor of 3 sounds like a feet-metres unit error
    • tppiotrowski 8 hours ago
      Building data comes from OvertureMaps data which is a superset of OSM. I update the building data set each month so if you make changes in OSM they should show up on ShadeMap at latest 30 days later.
  • mplanchard 12 hours ago
    Ha! A friend and I had this idea ages ago when living in Austin. I actually have the domain “walkdarkly.com” registered for it, in case I ever got around to it. If somebody actually doing something with it wants the domain, I’m happy to talk about transferring it
    • schobi 33 minutes ago
      This hints at a hiking trip planner maybe? Depending on time of day and year evaluate a path to be in the direct sun/shade?

      In summer, I might want to avoid the direct sun. Suggest the hiking path with least direct sunshine. And if it is autumn already, then please suggest a hiking path to be in the sun all day.

      Might be a cool feature to compare hiking paths by percentage of direct sunshine.

      But maybe, selecting a path through a forest vs. across open fields might already do.

  • soizi 12 hours ago
    https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#16/48.8551/2.3479

    it exists since many years with this French website

    • cadamsdotcom 10 hours ago
      Had a quick go of it on mobile.

      That version has major UX issues unfortunately.

  • jborichevskiy 15 hours ago
    I've wanted something like this - in Boulder the foothills cast a shadow on the town considerably earlier than sunset provided by weather apps. So in theory, this should be possible to figure out when a park will actually see a sunset. Nice work!
    • stilldavid 12 hours ago
      One of my favorite apps is PeakFinder, it shows local topography in an AR style UI. It also shows where and when the sun will set given the mountains around you! Well worth the few bucks.
      • dewey 11 hours ago
        Agreed! It's one of these apps (Similar to Flightradar) that just feel like a great use of technology and add a little bit of joy.
      • jborichevskiy 10 hours ago
        Definitely one of my favorites too! In my experience though it's best used at the location you're expecting the sunset, tricky to see when a specific point elsewhere will have their sunset (it may have changed though, I should check this)
  • waterpowder 18 hours ago
    It reminds me of this nice website for when you want to have a drink in the sun at a terrasse in Paris :D https://jveuxdusoleil.fr/#16/48.8551/2.3479
    • josters 12 hours ago
      Very nice! I’ve built something similar for Berlin[1] which is based on a digital surface model to also accurately cast shadows from trees, hills and bushes.

      [1]: https://sunsit.io/

    • cactusplant7374 18 hours ago
      This is interesting. Have you used it to find a nice place to have a drink?
      • waterpowder 18 hours ago
        Yes, although those days I tend to prefer places in the shade, or inside with AC...
  • pavon 17 hours ago
    Be sure to check out the different layers. In addition to the default which shows shade at a given moment, there are also options for hours of sun in given day, and an a UI to quickly show shade at any day/time of year.
  • andybak 10 hours ago
    According to this my garden is almost entirely in the shade but I have a suntan to disprove it.
  • 4corners4sides 18 hours ago
    Does this handle eclipses
    • tppiotrowski 16 hours ago
      Not specifically for eclipses but has been useful in finding places where the sun will be visible during the current eclipse since the eclipse will occur when the sun is quite low on the horizon.
      • beezlewax 11 hours ago
        I used this to check if I could see today's eclipse in Barcelona from my apartment buildings roof. Worked pretty well.
    • utopcell 10 hours ago
      It doesn't. I went to Saragoza in Spain, at 8:30pm on August 12 to verify. Cool project nonetheless.
  • culebron21 14 hours ago
    I see only a grey rectangle and a hand cursor.
  • allthetime 15 hours ago
    https://app.shadowmap.org

    Has has existed for many years

  • deckar01 15 hours ago
    Trees should not cast shadows as if their foliage extends all the way to the ground.
    • tppiotrowski 15 hours ago
      Agreed. From current data it's not possible to know the type of tree, only their locations so the model is simplified.
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