Official: Ford's $29,945 Small EV Truck Is Called Fathom

(motortrend.com)

30 points | by thehoff 6 days ago

11 comments

  • dyauspitr 6 days ago
    For what it’s worth, I absolutely love my f-150 lightning. I just wish we had 1 MW charging like the Chinese do.
    • bayesnet 5 days ago
      I’d be happy to get the advertised charge speeds on my Equinox. The number of times I use a charging station that delivers ~120kW at most is maddening.

      And it’s this kind of thing that stops mass adoption. When you fuel an ICE car, the pump just delivers fuel and that’s that. The price of fuel is prominently advertised and the experience is the same no matter the station.

      Charging on the other hand is an exercise in frustration. Charging stations have different advertised power delivery rates; often they can’t meet those rates (is it the charging station? Is it your car? No way to know!); pricing is opaque; charging can stop seemingly at random .. and then you get levied the penalty congestion rate for using a charging station.

      My parents asked me if they should get an EV. I advised a conventional hybrid. They are too old to have the patience to deal with all this.

      • dyauspitr 5 days ago
        It heavily depends on what kind of driving you do. I would say 97% of my driving is local and home charging works perfectly while being 10x cheaper than an equivalent gas vehicle. For the 3% of the time that I do long trips I might have charging issues but frankly it hasn’t been a nightmare, just waiting a little longer at some charging stations.

        Once or twice over the last four years, I’ve driven to an Electric America charging station to find that it is being renovated and I only have 30 miles of range left and next closest charging station is 50 miles away. That has mostly been resolved since Tesla chargers became available to Ford vehicles.

        • bayesnet 4 days ago
          Yes, totally agree—I love the car and for nearly all of my driving it’s great. It’s just that the residual of long drives is more of an issue than some say because of how inconsistent the experience is. For someone my parents age, for whom things not working as expected is more befuddling and aggravating than for me, I just don’t think it’s tolerable (and they do many more road trips in retirement anyway).
  • everybodyknows 5 days ago
    > the architecture uses large aluminum unicastings to incorporate more than 100 parts that would otherwise be separate

    They may have learned a few tricks from those teardowns of BYDs.

    • red-iron-pine 5 days ago
      so what happens when something breaks? in theory this is 100 more points of failure

      honest question, not sure how BYD handles this either. but BYDs are cheap enough that if you need to you get another...

    • m463 5 days ago
      that started with another US car manufacturer, tesla.

      (although tesla had casting hiccups with the suspension components of the model x)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giga_Press

    • vablings 5 days ago
      I honestly think unicastings are a horrible idea. BYD for most of its flagship vehicles do not use unicasting. I think unicasting should be reserved for the cheapest of vehicles in which an accident means the vehicle is recycled rather than unsafely repaired.
      • rasz 5 days ago
        You can weld and glue aluminum, nothing unsafe about it as long as you cut out the damaged part.
  • addaon 6 days ago
    Shouldn't a Fathom have a six foot bed, by definition?
    • aareet 6 days ago
      Not at that unfathomably low price
    • m463 5 days ago
      maybe they deep-sixed that definition in the marketing documents.
  • kotaKat 5 days ago
    Ford once again getting the messaging wrong and shipping what is essentially a glorified sedan with a useless external 4 foot bed.

    Why do we have to keep making family-haulers for whipped dads that aren't allowed to have a two-seater? Why do we HAVE to force the entire family to go with us wherever we go? The wife already gets the lifted Expedition XLT to nearly run over little Jimmy with at the crosswalk (or as I lovingly call it, the 'F Series' - Canyonero strikes again).

    Give us back a two seat basic pickup like the Ranger used to be, cowards.

  • bob1029 5 days ago
    > Rather than a distinct floor component, the Fathom’s interior parts mount directly to the top of the structural battery.

    I'm looking forward to the IIHS test results.

    • a012 5 days ago
      Safety asides it sounds like they build the car like a phone, so probably the repairs cost would be more expensive in the long run
    • vablings 5 days ago
      Most EV's use a structural battery like this either for frames or direct attachments. Go have a look at some EURO NCAP testing of Chinese EV's
  • burnt-resistor 5 days ago
    I'd pick a $5k cheaper, analog Slate instead for not having to deal with Ford's post-sales ads, subscriptions, and DRM.
    • pennomi 5 days ago
      I’d buy a Slate above this even if the Ford was cheaper, specifically for those same reasons.
      • m463 5 days ago
        Remember that vizio makes more money from "processing" your data than from the tv itself.

        I think we need car-based ad blockers.

        • burnt-resistor 4 days ago
          Perhaps the way forward is an independent shop service to disable the onboard cellular modem(s) such that they cannot dial-home to load anything new. (It would likely disable the concierge and emergency services features too.) Similar to how there are/were alarm/stereo installation services.
  • kristianp 6 days ago
    If it's about the size of a Maverick as the article suggests, that's not small at all.
    • GenerWork 6 days ago
      The Maverick is pretty small compared to other trucks. Smaller than a Ranger, and much, much smaller than the quarter and half ton trucks.
      • erxam 6 days ago
        Smaller doesn't necessarily mean small. Rangers are just normal big, and upper tier trucks are absolutely monstrous.

        You know what I thought the Maverick was sized like before looking it up? A Volkswagen Saveiro.

      • red-iron-pine 5 days ago
        smaller than a modern Ranger, not the original 2-seater

        the modern Ranger is the same size as the old F-150

  • k12sosse 6 days ago
    Shoulda gone with Canyonero as the name.

    Love my ranger. ~700km on a tank of gasoline. Easy to work on at home. The factory installed upfitter switches make adding 12v additions easy.

  • deflator 5 days ago
    An electric ute? I'm interested. Seems like a good move!
  • Neywiny 6 days ago
    So they made the battery, arguably the most concerning thing to replace as the vehicle ages, ridiculous to replace?

    At least they're not reusing names for entirely new things. Mustang Mach-e is so weird. New vehicle, new name. Good

    • erxam 6 days ago
      Aging isn't the real problem. Batteries are being found to last ages and ages more than they were ever thought to. By the time it needs to be changed, these will be considered as antiques.

      I think the real problem will be in crashes and insurance. The amount of cars that will be totaled for a fender bender will be nuts.

      • dzhiurgis 6 days ago
        Nah real problem, especially on smaller cells like 18650 back of the day is balance or temperature cable welds that randomly pop off, rendering entire pack useless and very laborious to repair. Rest of the things are very rare. If you crash hard enough to damage battery usually entire car is written off.

        I've been looking for used Tesla in Eastern Europe. Battery repairs are so rare (I think I found 2). Post-crash rebuilds are basically 95% of cars sold here. 100% if car is from USA.

      • vablings 5 days ago
        The idea of giga casting is horrible. One frame crack and its toast, I don't care how much people talk about that damn "Tesla glue" its forever structurally compromised.

        Steel frame rails, good crash protection bolted to those frames and then a battery in the middle. Keep it simple and repairable.

      • pstuart 6 days ago
        Upgrading would make that a nice to have. 8 years or so and battery tech should have an affordable higher capacity unit that could give new life to it.

        I got a refurbed Nissan Leaf with a 40KWh battery (replaced the original 24KWh battery) which added enough range to eliminate range anxiety whilst tootling about the metro area.

  • maxlin 6 days ago
    Imagine buying a new EV that can't drive itself. What a waste of money
    • aae42 4 days ago
      Disagree, I rather not subsidize that. I also don't really get why it has to be an EV, can't a self driving car just as easily be gas powered?
      • maxlin 4 days ago
        Self-driving usually intersects with EV's simply for the fact that EV's are a newer idea, and self-driving can't (sadly) be really well currently added to existing cars. Comma.ai isn't really on the track to compete.

        Those that are in market for an ICE car have an order of magnitude larger used car market available for them. You can get a car from the year 2000 and drive it no problem.

        If you are looking at a car that's the best worth for your money, while "subsidizing" better future tech that will directly save lives, if the latter is an added negative for you, well that's just misanthropy.