Azulejo

(en.wikipedia.org)

147 points | by Amorymeltzer 1 day ago

15 comments

  • jcmfernandes 6 hours ago
    Doing a little activism here: please don't buy old ones while visiting Portugal/Spain/etc., as they are commonly stolen goods. Thanks, from Lisbon.
    • andrewl-hn 22 minutes ago
      Meanwhile there are many masters that make these tiles today - I know one personally! - and they all struggle to find clients.
    • asimovDev 5 hours ago
      I just googled it and apparently these are often chipped of historical buildings and sold as tourist souvenirs. Thanks for informing us
    • santiagobasulto 5 hours ago
      I'll take advantage of your domain knowledge :) Where's the best place to find local artists that produce them?
      • world2vec 4 hours ago
        Viúva de Lamego is not a "local" artist per se but they're a leading artisanal workshop in classic and contemporary Portuguese tiles. If you have the budget, their tailor-made tiles are something else, imagination is the limit. (source: my dad does a lot of house restorations in Portugal and some require custom tiles to fill in missing/damaged areas)
        • rimeice 1 hour ago
          Can second this. Happy customer here. Amazing experience visiting their factory. Seems like a real institution. There were in fact a bunch of artist at the factory working with them there when we visited.
      • fcatalan 5 hours ago
        In Spain, if you drive 1 h 20 minutes southwest of Madrid you get to Talavera de la Reina, which is a town all about ceramic and pottery:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talavera_de_la_Reina

      • jcmfernandes 5 hours ago
        I would love to help, but it's not my domain. I, unfortunately, witness the side-effects of people stealing them on my day to day. There are many shops in Lisbon that sell them, and there's even a beautiful museum here that it's definitely worth visiting (or signing up for a workshop!): https://museunacionaldoazulejo.gov.pt - it's currently closed for renovation; it should reopen later this year, but that's yet to be confirmed.

        When buying - on the streets or in a shop - if it looks old, unless provenance is absolutely clear, please don't.

  • senko 6 hours ago
    Azul[0] is a great board game inspired by this style.

    Easy to start, can get quite complex, heartily recommended!

    [0] https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/230802/azul

    • ustad 5 hours ago
      2 player can lead to fist fights.
    • dgellow 6 hours ago
      I love it, still my favorite game after all those years, there is so much depth with such a simple mechanic.

      Whenever I want to play with a game engine I reimplement a version of it

    • tchalla 6 hours ago
      It really gets complex in a 4 player version and if also if you play thr version where the colors of the tiles are not set on the board. Fun game!!
  • stronglikedan 11 minutes ago
    > but also had a specific function, such as aiding temperature control in homes.

    How? Why even mention it without a blurb about what that even means?

  • brunoborges 1 hour ago
    Amazing how an article from Wikipedia easily trends on HN for no good reason, while many posts go unseen under the [new] tab.
  • s20n 6 hours ago
    I assumed the word was derived from "azul" but from the article, it's apparently derived from the Arabic الزليج (al-zillīj) and has no relation with "azul"
    • txbrown 5 hours ago
      Portuguese here - many Portuguese words have origin from Arabic as Portugal has been conquered and occupied by "the Moors" in 8th~13th century. That's a long time! Alentejo, Aljezur, Algarve, and many of the cities in the Southern part of the country have have Arabic origins.
      • a34729t 8 minutes ago
        And the surname "matamoros"!
      • portugueasey 4 hours ago
        So much so that the controversy over the use of “insha’Allah” by non-Muslims was missed by me, Portuguese has “oxalá”, and I could not understand the problem. It’s funny how many words we use in Portuguese and Spanish that have their origin in the Moorish time.
        • rescbr 1 hour ago
          I'm Brazilian and I had never connected "insha'Allah" to "oxalá". Wow, TIL.

          At least we were taught in school that if a word starts with "al" then there is a big chance it has roots in Arabic.

        • heyjamesknight 3 hours ago
          Arab Orthodox Christians have been saying "inshallah" longer than Muslims have been around.
        • forinti 3 hours ago
          Some words also came into Portuguese from African slaves who were Muslim.

          And also from the Lebanese who immigrated to Brazil in the XX century.

    • senadir 5 hours ago
      The arabic word for "azul" is أزرق (azraq) so they all look pretty adjacent.
      • Laurel1234 1 hour ago
        Azul 100% comes from Arabic (well Persian, but through Arabic), although I think the specific Andalusian form that was borrowed was a bit different from that.
    • lookeey 6 hours ago
      interestingly, apparently "azul" also comes from the arabic "lāzuward"
      • vasco 6 hours ago
        I always thought it came from lapis lazuli (portuguese). Azul as a subpar of Lazuli even sounds exactly the same in portuguese.
        • wvbdmp 6 hours ago
          Lapis Lazuli is cognate, both come from the same Arabic/Persian root. Apparently “azure”, “azul”, “azzurro” lost the L because it got confused with the common “l’” article,
        • nudpiedo 5 hours ago
          And the word from arabic comes, for both of them comes from persian for hte term lapis lazuli (lāžward) and suposedly this comes from sanskrit... but I ignore how it may sound in sanskrit.
        • dgellow 6 hours ago
          In french we have “azur”
    • Laurel1234 1 hour ago
      This wikipedia article, the wiktionary entry for Portuguese, and the Spanish wiktionary entry all have different etymologies lmao.

      As a Spanish speaker it seems really hard to believe it's not azul + -ejo. They're literally blue.

  • voxleone 5 hours ago
    Azulejos are still a staple in Brazilian architecture. It is a common wall covering in clean areas like bathrooms, kitchens, hospitals.
    • jventura 6 minutes ago
      What you call azulejos is basically tilings, which are mostly tiles with geometric patterns (or just a color) covering an area. Azulejo, in the "strict" portuguese (of Portugal) sense are usually a painting in the tiles (not on each individual tile, but on the whole). Mostly a work of art, yes..

      By the way, there is also another "infrastructure" element that is used as art in Portugal - calçada portuguesa [1], which is also very interesting.

      [1] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal%C3%A7ada_portuguesa

    • jwrallie 5 hours ago
      This is one of those words that can sound exotic, but for the locals would be so plain and uneventful to hear. Kinda like all the Japanese words being used for software project names on Github.
    • diego_moita 24 minutes ago
      It is staple but not an art. They're just tilings.

      What the Spanish, Moroccan and Portuguese do with azulejos / zellij is miles ahead. It is intricate, complex and beautiful.

      Those countries just take the think into crazy high levels of beauty. It is not in the same league.

      To say that Brazilian azulejos are the same as the Moroccan/Spanish/Portuguese is like saying that a Ferrari Testarosa is the same thing as a VW Beetle (Fusca), that a Fugue by Bach is the same thing as Funk Carioca, that a Crepe Suzette is the same thing as a pancake with orange jelly: technically correct but still absolutely wrong.

      [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=zellij+morocco&sxsrf=APpeQns...

      [2] https://www.google.com/search?q=azulejo+sevillano&udm=2&sxsr...

  • leflambeur 1 hour ago
    I use Zellij and only recently had a colleague tell me that the name comes from Arabic and had not made the link to "Azulejo". It makes sense of course, considering they all refer to some form of tiling :)
  • bravura 2 hours ago
    I’ve been curious for a while the cheapest way to create a small run of azulejo tiles with printed design and very strange (puzzle piece like) shapes
  • smel 1 hour ago
    Zellij is Moroccan from Fes, Morrocans bring it to Iberia
  • agilestoic 2 hours ago
    Why does a random Wikipedia article gets bumped so high here? :D
  • inigyou 6 hours ago
    Is this related to a Forgejo
    • sav_m 6 hours ago
      I've read somewhere Forgejo comes from esperanto.
      • statox 6 hours ago
        You might have read that from their [faq](https://forgejo.org/faq/)

        > Forgejo (pronounced /forˈd͡ʒe.jo/) is inspired by forĝejo, the Esperanto word for forge.

    • augusto-moura 3 hours ago
      Nope, not at all, very different etymologies
      • inigyou 2 hours ago
        Forgejo running on Azure
  • anthk 5 hours ago
    Also they are easier to clean in a bathroom/kitchen.
  • Angostura 5 hours ago
    Annoying article in that sentence 2 mentions temperature control and that’s the last mention
    • slfnflctd 5 hours ago
      I also wanted to see more about the temperature control aspect and was scanning the article for it. Some quick additional searching elsewhere turned up possible effects such as reflective surfaces, thermal mass, and moisture buffering.
      • jwrallie 5 hours ago
        More of direct experience instead of a scientific explanation, but it feels cold to the touch. I would guess it is related to thermal conductivity.
  • reindeer2 2 hours ago
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