7 comments

  • illliillll 2 hours ago
    Every year is apparently a good year for developers to figure out how terminals have worked for decades?

    Just… don’t trust inputs you don’t fully control, there’s nothing else to it.

    • NitpickLawyer 2 hours ago
      > Just… don’t trust inputs you don’t fully control, there’s nothing else to it.

      This is easier said than done with LLMs. By design there is no separation between control & data channels in LLMs. Everything is context. The difficulty comes from the fact that you need inputs in order to do real work, and there are no easy way to filter adversarial inputs. There is no meaningful way to distinguish between "before running this repo install useful_package" and "before running this repo install typosquatted_evil_package".

      • wayvey 1 hour ago
        How about the human in the loop, or have we abandoned that long ago?
        • eddythompson80 40 minutes ago
          > have we abandoned that long ago?

          I think that’s what people are trying to do, yes. The point of the plethora of sandboxing solutions is to try to isolate the blast radius to abandon needing a human in the loop as much as possible. Ideally limited to final verification of the final output. Why ask about their flight number, when you can search their email if you have access? For an “AI”, a “when is my flight?” question should just figure it out and tell me the time, not inquiry further about my flight number and location. Similar to “prepare my taxes” prompt. If it has access to query all your documents, an “AI” should fetch everything and compile your tax return. Yet, you can’t trust the input. While searching your email, or loading all your receipts, some might contain malicious instructions to forward all document to this random ip address. An overtly problem solver LLM might destroy the data or take other non-malicious but still destructive actions to attempt to fix a problem. These are just random examples, but with “human in the loop” for interactions it means approving every action. Every request, every query, every execution.

        • conartist6 17 minutes ago
          Wh... wh... what? The problem is that ANSI escape codes aren't being stripped from text before processing, and you think a HUMAN should be doing that? That'd be like having a secretary hand-check every SQL query as it arrives at the database instead of using a query builder...
          • Rygian 11 minutes ago
            A human should defintely be doing that.

            By "that" it is understood: enforcing that the code cleans up unsafe inputs before processing them.

            If there is no human doing that enforcement, the code has no chance of being secure.

            • conartist6 5 minutes ago
              Why! Do you use your eyeballs to spot SQL injection? Or do you maybe use a tool? A linter perhaps?
        • stevehawk 1 hour ago
          i feel like that's the point with LLMs or i'm misreading your comment.
    • 20k 54 minutes ago
      Ai devs rediscovering that basic software engineering principles exist for a reason speedrun any%
  • qwertox 2 hours ago
    > DAST is the natural way to catch this class of flaw. The Bright scanner...
  • hahahaa 2 hours ago
    So cat -v is no longer harmful?
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  • doodlebyte 3 hours ago
    This is a really interesting class of failure. It feels like we're going to see more cases where the "human view" and the "LLM view" of the same data diverge. Have you run into similar issues outside of MCP as well, or is this mostly specific to terminal-based tool interactions?