The Future Worth Building Is Human – Thinking Machines Lab

(thinkingmachines.ai)

46 points | by bilsbie 1 hour ago

10 comments

  • numeri 3 minutes ago
    Seems to echo (but in a watered down form) many of the ideas in https://gwern.net/guardian-angel, which gave me a lot to think about last week
  • whywhywhywhy 26 minutes ago
    Why would you call your company Thinking Machines if you believe this, by calling them that you're already framing them as replacing the human act of thinking.

    Feels like they appropriated the name first, then pivoted ideologically to differentiate themselves from everyone else.

    • reb 15 minutes ago
      The advent of thinking machines only replaces human thinking if humans choose to stop thinking.
    • kevindamm 17 minutes ago
      It doesn't have to imply replacement. Do you stop thinking just because other humans can?
  • samuell 54 minutes ago
    While I understand this is a PR talk for a startup, I think the text itself contains a number of interesting observations.

    Regarding the idea of distributed models communicating with each other, I have also been thinking (and writing [1]) along those lines, where I see that the data amounts needed to fully digitalize ourselves and our society requires far too much storage if just serialized (limited by bandwidth if nothing else), while smart, updateable models are actually a much better storage medium for such information, as it can communicate only the important bits (any new information) on a higher level, with each other.

    The other observation here that rings bells for me is how I think lessons from trying to develop intelligent systems should upvalue the human mind rather than devalue it, as we start to treat it less like an ad-hoc thing, and more like the finely tuned machine it is, which also benefits greatly from optimizing what data we feed it with, the architecture of solution strategies etc. All of which is an area where humans and machines can do wonders together [2].

    [1] https://livingsystems.substack.com/p/the-future-of-data-less...

    [2] https://livingsystems.substack.com/p/ai-progress-should-upgr...

  • brk 1 hour ago
    I guess we are recycling company names now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking_Machines_Corporation

    (I know, Corp vs. Lab).

    • bradleyy 19 minutes ago
      If it doesn't have 65,536 Motorola 1-bit processors connected in a 12-dimensional hypercube, and a stunning case designed by Tamiko Thiel, I'm out.
    • whywhywhywhy 25 minutes ago
      So weird to re-use the name of something so iconic.
      • brk 12 minutes ago
        That was my thought, but I also think we're at the point that the iconic companies that have come and gone 30+ years ago are unknown to the current crop of young-ish startup founders.

        I would be really curious to know if the current Thinking Machines team had any awareness of the prior company, or if they landed on that name completely unaware.

        IMO this shows how we have been pursuing many of these goals for half a century now.

  • Glandalf 12 minutes ago
    Thinking Machines is back? Or is this a jaded attempt to use the brand for cache?
  • q8zd3 1 hour ago
    Great time to be a PR firm owner.
  • Oras 56 minutes ago
    > We train strong models

    Where? When? Unless I missed any of their models

  • moralestapia 1 hour ago
    Oh man, all of these press releases are definitely worth billions of dollars.
    • siquick 50 minutes ago
      They're making a "few hundred million of ARR" - not bad for a company who only launched their first product, a training platform called Tinker in October last year.

      https://x.com/deedydas/status/2072340532718887068

    • Rebuff5007 1 hour ago
      This is the 6th blog post, making the average cost per post only $333 million! What a steal for the VCs.
  • halfax 1 hour ago
    so in this new AI LM / agent world , AI is only going to be as good as the "AI Conductor". The human which can build the rules, validate the output , and Conduct the AI properly
    • loa_in_ 40 minutes ago
      Or a whole lot of people. Like a team who put human beings in space. We can do great things that a single person cannot.
  • api 1 hour ago
    My experience is that AI is just that, a “mech suit for your brain.” It has no creativity or volition but has superhuman memory, superhuman speed, and superhuman context in some narrow cases.

    So it takes a thought and unfolds it, looks up relevant thoughts and information, elaborates, works through implications, and in some cases can execute.

    You could do all that but like doing math manually it would take forever. You could manually calculate a spreadsheet too.

    • jdiff 1 hour ago
      Won't you suffer from muscle atrophy in a such a low-G environment?
      • bflesch 47 minutes ago
        Can't atrophy something that never existed.
      • short_sells_poo 58 minutes ago
        Inevitably yes, the question is whether the combined cyborg is still better than the original human.

        E.g. I'm sure we are generally less skilled in mental arithmetic since the advent of the calculator, but it has allowed us to solve vastly more complex problems in the end.