7 comments

  • ungreased0675 6 hours ago
    Why do the Swiss people continue to make timepieces in the difficult mechanical form, when making quartz movements would be easier and cheaper?

    Must be religious reasons. Maybe they serve a purpose in rituals by Swiss shaman.

    Anthropologists have no creativity.

    • jstanley 5 hours ago
      > may have had symbolic or ritual significance.

      I think is a fair description of Swiss mechanical watches.

      They are certainly not of practical significance.

      • 3RTB297 1 hour ago
        That's the point of the comment, humans do things all the time that aren't part of some larger cultural-ritual-religious aspect. We spend a lot of time and resources doing things that seem cool at the time and only seem cool to a few people.

        Someone spends a few hours doing a large tag mural under a freeway and it's not a painting to honor the gods because that spot on the freeway gets sun at a certain time of day.

        There's often practical reasons people do things that anthropologists can incorrectly attribute to something larger.

    • maratc 2 hours ago
      Swiss make both kinds. It's (mostly) non-Swiss who decide what kind to buy.
    • u_fucking_dork 1 hour ago
      Yeah I’d much rather have the opinion of a condescending layman on social media who’s ego was inflated by learning how to program
    • kakacik 4 hours ago
      Yeah, those arrowheads look unusual and nice, very nice. It may be just that, a lot of people prefer form rather than function, there is no reason to believe our past ancestors had precisely 0 aesthetics. Or something else, who knows.
    • sandworm101 5 hours ago
      Arrow/spear points are different than watches. You dont throw your watch at squirrles when you are hungry. You dont risk your watch smashing into bits when you miss the squirrel and hit a rock. The fact these points were dimensionally similar to other materials means they were less objects of reverance and more likely actual weapon points and thus somewhat disposable.
    • redsocksfan45 3 hours ago
      You're being sarcastic, but aren't you accidentally right? Swiss watchmaking started because local bible-thumpers banned jewelry but made an exception for watches, thus creating demand for watches that fill the role of jewelry. Once established, the industry maintains itself.
      • wqaatwt 2 hours ago
        Except mechanical watches were very high-tech at the time and were very practical devices.

        By the time they became mainly an accessory/status symbol sumptuary laws weren’t a thing.

  • vintermann 9 hours ago
    I'm always suspicious of "it was religious" claims in archeology.
    • defrost 8 hours ago
      Neither the article nor the backing paper discussed made any such definite claim.

      Many casual readers confuse statements such as

        "which *may* have had symbolic or ritual significance."
      
      with meaning "this absolutely had to do with (a) religion" when no such thing is intended.

      Attribution of potential cause of inferred behaviour to "ritual" is a long standing practice in archaeology; it's code for "we don't know" and covers all manner of things that may simply have developed as habit over years, may have unknown and non supernatural causes / motivations, etc.

      • sandworm101 4 hours ago
        Ritual may also have practical/non-supernatural motivations that were simply incorrect. We do lots of things that we think are good practical things that, years later, we learn were mistakes. Uranium and radiation as a cure-all was a mistake. Dig up a 1950s house and one might think the uranium devices were kept for "ritual" when in fact they were kept for thier mistaken health benefits.
    • goda90 3 hours ago
      Perhaps "symbolic significance" could simply by about signifying "I'm good at knapping cool looking material" or "I had enough resources to trade for this hard to knap tool". The symbol of status/skill, essentially. People like to show off.
    • chrisco255 7 hours ago
      It is like the go to explanation for things they don't have an answer to. What if the quartz arrow head was just a status symbol or was traded as a luxury item?
  • lovemenot 5 hours ago
    Could it be that relatively few quartz arrowheads were made, but that disproportionately many of them survived to have been subsequently discovered? Survivorship bias.
  • mring33621 2 days ago
    Because it looks cool!
    • AngryData 8 hours ago
      This is what I would bet on. If you spent decades of your life knapping various "easy" and ideal stones for tools and getting quite skilled at it, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch for them to try knapping a "difficult" stone just because it looks cooler and you can show it off.
    • moscoe 8 hours ago
      Exactly. Same reason kids and people today are drawn to it and gems in general. Even today, people imbue crystals with mystical properties.
  • lexicality 7 hours ago
    Given I've spent the last few weeks teaching myself CAD and completely designing a custom 3d printed racking system for my consumer networking gear from scratch, I would like to think that "I decided to do this ostensibly stupid and pointlessly difficult thing for a minor aesthetic improvement even when a blatantly easier (and possibly better) option is available" is a valid reason for humans to do things.

    Besides, that green quartz crystal is beautiful. If you can only afford to carry a limited number of objects then I personally would try to find a way to turn it into an object I can hold, use, and admire every day.

    • jaapz 6 hours ago
      When future humans find your cad files they are going to wonder why you would do it like this, and then probably settle on religious reasons
  • christkv 6 hours ago
    There goes Peter with his fancy quartz points does he think he is better than us?
  • dboreham 47 minutes ago
    The original paper and referencing article are paywalled so I'm not sure if this is mentioned there, but the answer to the question "why did they use XXX for arrow points?" is surely answered by putting yourself in the position of "them" and thinking about how you'd get material for your arrows. No Amazon, no Home Depot. You'd wander around in your environment looking for suitable material. There are many places around where I live where the regular rock is soft (sandstone) but there are deposits of quartz here and there (no idea why, but there is a whole federal park devoted to the phenomenon[1]). So if you lived in such an area you'd use quartz because it's the only available usable material.

    Only once long distance trade routes/gathering expeditions were a thing, people used material from further away. E.g. there are examples of obsidian from a specific location in Yellowstone being found up to a thousand miles away[2].

    [1] https://www.fs.usda.gov/r01/beaverhead-deerlodge/recreation/...

    [2] https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/historyculture/obsidiancliff....