Starship V3

(spacex.com)

148 points | by fprog 2 hours ago

20 comments

  • spankalee 52 minutes ago
    Oops, I read too far and come across these bangers in the next post:

    > In the long term, space-based AI is obviously the only way to scale.

    > My estimate is that within 2 to 3 years, the lowest cost way to generate AI compute will be in space

    Yes, Elon is very sane.

    • pveierland 7 minutes ago
      Beyond aggressively optimistic timelines, I find it difficult to disagree with the premise. The aggressively optimistic timelines is also what makes it feasible to even attempt these things, where e.g. the amount of iteration required for Starship would have broken most other companies.

      > In the long term, space-based AI is obviously the only way to scale.

      In the long term - all mass and energy available is outside of Earth - what is here is not even a rounding error. If you wish to continue scaling compute it then becomes a question of time before you'd want to go off planet. Personally I'm quite keen to see near term space based compute explored, as it could end up becoming a much better trade-off than allocating ever more ground to power and operate terrestrial compute which directly conflict with the biosphere.

      SpaceX started the Starlink design phase in 2015 - started launching Starlink satellites in 2019 - and they now have the most dominant satellite constellation ever deployed by a large factor. They have their own launch systems, launch sites, satellite bus, communication stack - both in-house designed and built.

      What is really going to be that difficult with space-based compute? Radiation hardening and cooling? These are clear engineering challenges that can be simulated, tested with earth analogs, and then rapidly iterated across design generations. There's napkin math all over the internet on this, but it really seems like small challenges compared to the other engineering SpaceX have already sorted.

      Beyond radiation / cooling / servicing - it seems like the biggest hurdle is to crack the scaling of designing / scaling the necessary amount of compute they will need to scale space based compute according to the laid out plans.

    • iamgopal 11 minutes ago
      He is talking about distributed AI, with their own AI chip, ( may be they can work at higher temperatures allow it to slowly cool to space ? ) not space station size server farm. By that, energy requirements will also be reduce, my biggest concern is, if every one starts doing it, in no time, millions of satellites will be in the space
    • neuronexmachina 45 minutes ago
      I'm basically assuming that "space-based data centers" are some Glomar Explorer-style cover for something else.
      • Fordec 8 minutes ago
        I assume because the Mars goal is as good as dead with what they're finding out about the complexities of building Starship that they can barely get it back down to this planet, never mind back from a second one.

        This "space datacenters is more important than colonizing the universe" thing is just to deflect from what would be an inevitable failure because if they do this pivot, they can push out the timeline for that further than the original 2026 on Mars goal that they are about to wildly overshoot.

      • Enginerrrd 33 minutes ago
        Yeah, I agree. A massive radar network, passive or active is the most likely possibility I have come across. You'd need a LOT of compute at each node to get the most out of the network. I found this video[1] to be a pretty convincing analysis of the absolute max capability you could expect, and it would indeed be impressive.

        [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbp3kdJZ1_A

      • trothamel 27 minutes ago
        It's putting AI processing out of the reach of hostile local, state, and international governments. Does it need to be a cover?
        • wahnfrieden 19 minutes ago
          A cover is going to have a plausible enough sounding justification that you’ll believe and defend
        • gpm 23 minutes ago
          > It's putting AI processing out of the reach of hostile local, state, and international governments

          It isn't... the hostile local government can seize the ssh keys you use to control it and take it over just fine.

          The hostile international non-local super power just gained a new ability to jam communications or destroy it with a bit of deniability too.

      • gct 38 minutes ago
        They'll put up thousands more starlinks and track every mobile device on the planet simultaneously, might as well have a homing beacon in your pocket.
        • yellowbkpk 30 minutes ago
          Check out this video that goes into a very deep technical explanation about how the satellites can be used as a Synthetic Aperature Radar to build a realtime representation of the entire globe at meters of resolution: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jbp3kdJZ1_A
          • piloto_ciego 15 minutes ago
            Oooh, yeah, this is going to be a key to it too, Gorgon Stare on steroids.
    • legitster 12 minutes ago
      One of the underrated topics about space right now is the potential supply of rockets outstrips demand by a lot.

      We're simply out things we can profitably send to space so SpaceX and others are trying to come up with ideas to induce demand.

      My understanding is that Starlink mostly grew out of the same need to justify scaling up rocket production.

    • piloto_ciego 16 minutes ago
      Honestly, I think he's spot on, and I normally am not fond of Elon's public behavior. I mentioned in another thread that they're getting around having to ask permission to build datacenters by doing it in space. The entire thing is to avoid NIMBY stuff I'd bet.
      • lucisferre 14 minutes ago
        • piloto_ciego 5 minutes ago
          Admittedly it is not my field, but back of the envelope calculations in a sun synchronous orbit with the radiators pointed towards deep space seem pretty plausible with about 1.3 to 1.7 ratio of solar area to radiator area.

          Like, it's not "great" but if you're not flying around the sun every 72 minutes or whatever and you can keep your panels sun on and radiate into deep space, the numbers aren't bananas.

        • YZF 8 minutes ago
          https://youtu.be/FlQYU3m1e80

          "Is It Really Impossible To Cool A Datacenter In Space?" - Scott Manley

          tl;dr -> not impossible.

      • MattDamonSpace 14 minutes ago
        It really depends on scale. There will be enough terrestrial vetoes that if what we build is 10-1000x what people are already halting through legal challenges
      • idiotsecant 7 minutes ago
        Building datacenters in a medium where the main waste product (heat) is incredibly difficult to get rid of, there is zero opportunity for maintainance, and the fuel to get to site costs more than the site does. Makes perfect sense, spot on!
    • senectus1 14 minutes ago
      long term is doing a lot of heavy lifting here...

      in the very broad shoulders of long term, he's probably right.. its why the concept of a dysonsphere is around. you can get uninterrupted 24/7 free energy.

      but yeah, the tech is a long way away.

      *Edit: lol My estimate is that within 2 to 3 years, the lowest cost way to generate AI compute will be in space.

      i think 2-3 years is a very unlikely outcome.

      • Melatonic 6 minutes ago
        I agree - long term I can see highly distributed compute ( like tons of small satellites ) becoming a cool space thing. And eventually a ringworld like thing or dysonsphere

        But 2 to 3 years?! Seems crazy

    • novok 41 minutes ago
      He is talking about energy costs.
      • Enginerrrd 32 minutes ago
        Right but it's famously difficult to cool things in space since you have basically zero convective or conductive heat transfer, so I don't think that makes a lot of sense.
    • jiggawatts 43 minutes ago
      He isn't entirely stupid though.

      Every journalist keeps talking about "data centers" in space, like they're giant buildings with square miles of solar arrays.

      "Hurr, durr, the tech bros are clearly crazy!" say the arts majors that didn't listen to, or understand the talks by the people proposing to put AI compute in space.

      What Elon and co are talking about is simply a matter of putting a somewhat bigger solar panel on a Starlink satellite along with a handful of inference-optimised neural processor chips onto its motherboard, side-by-side with the existing electronics.

      They're just talking about launching a slightly bigger and slighty more power hungry version of Starlink. That's it.

      "We'll need thousands of them!

      Yes, they know.

      Starlink is already planned for a scale of tens of thousands of satellites. With Starship V3 scaling it to hundreds of thousands is (almost) no big deal.

      • AlotOfReading 17 minutes ago
        Even assuming "that's it", why not just install it in e.g. Morocco instead? It's not like space is any easier to access than the Sahara, and saving a few dozen ms of network latency isn't particularly valuable when your TTFT is measured in tenths of a second. Sure, sun synchronous orbits are a thing, but you also need more expensive panels and the comparative efficiency will decline over time vs land-based hardware as your chips fail (wasting that part of the resource budget) and the land hardware gets upgraded.
        • derektank 6 minutes ago
          >why not just install it in e.g. Morocco instead

          The number of political actors that can stop you from building in Morocco (or confiscate/damage your invested capital once you deploy it) are numerous. The number that can do so in space? Maybe a half dozen. We’re already seeing states and municipalities in the US moving to ban data centers and the energy infrastructure needed to power them. Building in space faces no such procedural roadblocks.

          The economics still seem like an open question, but if the demand for compute is high enough, space based data centers might be the only option

        • Melatonic 5 minutes ago
          I think Elons version is totally crazy but the idea of edge computer (maybe for latency or something) on each satellite above your head could make sense. It could even integrate well with larger terrestrial datacenters (like your example of Morocco) depending on use case
        • MattDamonSpace 4 minutes ago
          You need permission to do that in Morocco
      • winfredJa 32 minutes ago
        issue is land based will still be cheaper. there are lot of cool things we can do in space, i’m not convinced putting data center is one of them.
        • jiggawatts 25 minutes ago
          Elon explained the logic at length in an interview: Cheaper != Available.

          The availability of power is the constraint almost everywhere, no matter how much money you throw at it.

          Gas turbine production has a many-year backlog. Everybody that can make the single-crystal superalloy turbine blades is fully booked for most of a decade and can't expand capacity for years (at least).

          Meanwhile, putting a slightly larger solar panel onto a satellite is a trivial engineering excercise and has no blockers in 2026.

          Disclaimer: Personally, I suspect all this AI-in-space "talk" from Elon is just cheap marketing to boost the IPO of xAI.

          • troyvit 13 minutes ago
            What are the benefits of a solar panel in space vs a solar panel here on Earth? I get that there's less "night" up there, and there's less interference from the atmosphere so the solar is more efficient, but is it that much more efficient that it actually makes more sense than solar panels on earth?
          • dullcrisp 19 minutes ago
            Okay but why not take that slightly larger solar panel and leave it on Earth?

            Is the sunlight millions of times brighter beyond the atmosphere? I don’t get it.

            • ericd 8 minutes ago
              In space, that solar panel is always in the sunlight. No clouds, no night time. Weirdly enough, earth is a more challenging environment in some ways for solar. You need to lay out >3x the number of panels on earth to get the same power production, and you need batteries or a grid interconnection as a buffer.

              Also, there's a populist backlash on building datacenters, power transmission infra, and power generation in many areas on earth. Locally, we have a number of people complaining about solar arrays going up on farmland, even though it's the farmers choosing to do it. "It's an eyesore".

            • piloto_ciego 14 minutes ago
              You have to ask permission to build it somewhere. Nobody is going to stop you in space.
    • aaron695 15 minutes ago
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    • 01100011 47 minutes ago
      You've got to give him credit though. His caustic managerial style seems to have borne fruit despite his lack of engineering or technical skills. He has been supremely effective at defining a vision(however delusional) and attracting funding.

      Will we get to Mars soon? Hell no. But we may end up with a world-leading launch provider based in the US and that's a clear win for the country.

      • avmich 32 minutes ago
        > despite his lack of engineering or technical skills

        At least he has B.Sc. in physics and got admitted into Stanford.

        I think what Elon says is better explained not as a promise what would happen, but rather as a goal which they're going to aspire to. It kinda supports the idea "we're in business of converting impossible into late". If Elon will start offering more "realistic" schedules, the pace of SpaceX will slow down, perhaps considerably. So, yes, it's "Elon time", which historically isn't particularly precise, but still useful.

      • nomel 46 minutes ago
        > Will we get to Mars soon? Hell no.

        How much did he bring in that timeline?

      • dodu_ 20 minutes ago
        You absolutely do not, under any circumstances, have to give him credit.

        Chronic over-promise, underdelivery.

        Where was the nearly 3T of fraud he said he'd uncover in the US government, again? Was that a clear win for the country?

        But hey at least he's effective at getting people to give him money, I guess, which is an indistinguishable "skill" from that of someone who is able to convince people to buy an online course on how to make money online.

        He just does it at a bigger scale so people are quick to suck him off. How we are still falling into the "money = smart/competent" trap in <<current year>> is beyond me.

      • Forgeties79 41 minutes ago
        Don’t buy into the 2010’s Tony stark persona. His momentum is clearly slowing because he can’t put his politics and rather fucked social values behind business sense.

        I have immense appreciation for what SpaceX has done for humanity. I’m not being dramatic. Reusable rockets alone is an incredible achievement. But he’s lost the plot. He needs to drop his right wing bullshit and stardom chasing if he wants to be taken seriously again. The dude won’t even acknowledge his own kid because of his politics. I will never trust someone who makes that decision, personally. His judgment is beyond clouded.

        The Elon bros will be mad but whatever. One day he’ll maybe remember why folks liked him. Hitching his wagon to Trump was a dumb move.

        • JackFr 12 minutes ago
          I think it’s tough to stay grounded when you’re as rich as he is. (To be clear, my intent is to explain and not excuse the path he’s taken.)
        • Petersipoi 32 minutes ago
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          • Forgeties79 26 minutes ago
            > Before he bought Twitter, you could be banned from essentially all the big social networks for bullshit such as "misgendering"

            If you think musk hasn’t banned people for bullshit you’re not looking at all. The site has suspended literally millions of people since he took over. He banned the jet tracker by creating a curated doxxing policy specifically designed to cover his ass.

            You need to spend 5min with a search engine. The myth that he has made it more open and free speech friendly is just that.

          • whattheheckheck 18 minutes ago
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    • nailer 35 minutes ago
      This person made self driving cars work years after they’d been written off, made reusable rockets and has people with locked-in syndrome speaking to their families. Why do you think he wouldn’t be sane?
      • gamblor956 14 minutes ago
        We had all those things without Elon Musk and the alternatives do it better.
  • Melatonic 2 minutes ago
    Definitely some cool photos of Starship V3 - how much of this is new info vs just a press release style announcement? I havent been following the latest rocket news much
  • Fordec 4 minutes ago
    The thing which is seemingly missing from this is their current largest hurdle emerging from the V2 testing. The heat shields keep failing.

    I guess the focus is going to be on getting stuff up, rather than back down. Thus the Starlink and data center plays, not human space exploration.

  • beambot 57 minutes ago
    Those Raptor 3 engines are a thing of beautiful simplicity compared to their forebears...
    • eagerpace 45 minutes ago
      And to think, it wasn’t that long ago competitors we still using old Russian engines for their domestic rockets. Brilliant work to get back to leadership in this domain.
      • kobieps 17 minutes ago
        The outcome is guaranteed to be entertaining
  • hparadiz 1 hour ago
    Close ups of the tail fins and the hull exterior have little hex tiles covering the entire tail fin assembly. There's also different sizes of tile. Exciting to see if that will be enough structural reinforcement.
    • randallsquared 1 hour ago
      Yeah, the tile complexity is worrying. I hope they're able to simplify that or fully streamline the manufacturing and attachment. From the outside, the tiles seem like a Shuttle re-run, and refurbishment of those was one of the long poles in reuse.
      • larusso 47 minutes ago
        But for the shuttle each title was kinda unique and had a specific spot. If they managed to find a shape where you don’t have to mark each tile but can just pull them from a box for replacement is a huge win. Maybe even have some spares and allow them to be replaced during an EVA. This was all not really feasible with the Spaceshuttle.
  • a34729t 1 hour ago
    The new more powerful engines with built in heat shield are a phenomenal achievement. Hopefully they perform as good as they look!
  • BoxedEmpathy 43 minutes ago
    I really hope I get to see a permanent settlement on Mars or the moon. I don't care who settles it I just want to see humanity reach for the stars.
  • slac 1 hour ago
    Gotta pump that Grok IPO /s Seriously though, the whole SpaceXAI makes zero sense to me. SpaceX was a wonderful company and there was zero need to pollute it with Twitter and a service that creates sexual images of people without their consent.
    • xbmcuser 46 minutes ago
      Tesla has been out competed in Batteries, EV's and Robots so this is his new move. He did something similar with his solar panel company put it inside Tesla and then it has almost disappeared from the news. He puts the AI company inside of Spacex makes up a lot of unrealistic numbers to pump up price and captures most of the stock gains from Spacex IPO by diluting others people shares.
    • mrandish 36 minutes ago
      I was initially very skeptical about the viability of space-based data centers but after a couple hours reading papers, studies and summary technical assessments I realized there are a range of credible expert viewpoints from, "pretty unlikely" to "it could actually work". There at least appear to be plausible, though unproven, solutions to the most obvious drive-by objections I had off the top of my non-expert head.

      Of course, there are still a lot of unknowns, any of which could prove fatal to the concept but I'm no longer comfortable just dismissing it as "obviously ridiculous."

      • foxylad 8 minutes ago
        Did you find a credible solution for heat dissipation in the papers you read? I fear the laws of thermodynamics will kill this project.
      • Teever 11 minutes ago
        Putting a datacentre in space may be feasible but the scale that he's suggesting is really unbelievable.

        And if he's actually capable of producing solar panels in the quantity that he's talking about in the time frame that he's talking about -- why doesn't he just put them on earth to solve our growing climate change problems and fuel shortages?

    • etchalon 48 minutes ago
      You forget that Musk has to make all the idiots who gave him capital for Twitter whole, somehow.
  • seemaze 23 minutes ago
    Aerospace vessel, not terminal prompt.
  • kyriakos 1 hour ago
    Page banned in my country apparently
  • christkv 10 minutes ago
    I wonder how you solve the cooling issue as you can only shed heat via radiation.
  • dmix 2 hours ago
    One more week

    > Liftoff will occur at 6:30 p.m. ET on Monday (May 19)

    https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/...

    • laweijfmvo 2 hours ago
      isn’t Monday the 18th?
      • tristanj 1 hour ago
        Yes, the linked space.com article has an error. The launch is happening Tuesday the 19th.
        • mcbits 1 hour ago
          I prefer to call it an unplanned calendar learning opportunity.
  • gok 59 minutes ago
    It's a fascinating design but it's been 14 years since the concept was first announced and it's never really completely worked. If it ever was possible, it's not clear the talent for it still works for SpaceX.
  • danpalmer 1 hour ago
    I used to follow Starship so intently, similarly NASA things, but Musk's antics, politicising of everything he touches, the increasing use of NASA as US propaganda, has all really put me off it. It's hard to get excited about these things anymore, which is sad because they're otherwise legitimately exciting.
    • gpt5 1 hour ago
      Why is everything today has to be "good" or "bad". Where is the nuance? Where is seeing things as they are - an exciting endeavor built by thousands of people, one of them has flaws you don't like.

      The rise of moralization of everything is really killing online discourse. It's gotten to the point where people will now mostly criticize and support ideas based on who proposed them, and not based on their merits. Tribalism at its worst.

      • danpalmer 4 minutes ago
        I hoped to get across that I still find this to be a nuanced issue. I like the content, I just dislike the discourse around it, which makes it hard for me to get excited about the content.

        I too would like it to just be about the content, but nothing exists in a vacuum.

      • nomel 40 minutes ago
        My theory is that tribalism is hard coded in our brain, strongly selected for by those bad times in the past, where the ability to turn off emotion and critical thoughts meant you, a generally social creature, could murder your fellow man, to keep your family/in group alive/fed.

        I think religion helped reduce tribalism, at a societal level, by making evil/demons/bad acts as the "them" and everyone that went to church on sunday (it was the whole town previously) was the "us". Now, without religion, and the physical/social bringing together it brought, that hardware in our brain still tries to segment a clear "us"/"them", but with much less guidance.

      • ryandrake 29 minutes ago
        People who themselves eschew nuance should not be surprised when they and everything they touch are polarized into "good" and "bad" buckets. I'm pretty neutral to most companies on earth, because their CEOs wisely don't make wild comments every other day on their personal politics.
      • ianburrell 44 minutes ago
        This isn't a new thing, ideas and actions have always been judged by who says them. If anything, the difference is that in the past, his behavior would have gotten him thrown out both from his companies and out of polite society.
      • philipbjorge 40 minutes ago
        This seems like less of a today thing and more of an ancient human tendency.

        A lot of Buddhist practice is basically trying to train against immediately collapsing reality into self/other, right/wrong, craving/aversion.

        Practicing this with Elon Musk is effectively ultra hard mode.

        --

        Though I do think there’s a subtle irony here too — the original commenter may simply be describing their own emotional reaction/disillusionment, while your response risks collapsing them into "part of the problem."

        Feels like everybody in the thread is pointing at the same tendency from different angles.

      • stickfigure 38 minutes ago
        Musk is not just "one of them"; the financial success of SpaceX is extremely unevenly distributed.

        Personally I am looking forward to the post-IPO world where a lot of very smart people with hard-won knowledge will have their golden handcuffs off.

      • bigyabai 54 minutes ago
        If you replace "online" with "modern", then your comment could be an impassioned 1940s-era defense of Nazi Germany for their "merits" in face of their flaws.

        The sum of these merits adds up to something. SpaceX is a political venture, and just like the uncomfortable questions that Microsoft/Google/Apple all pose, it's worth asking what the consequences will be in the long term. Lawful intercept sounded like a great plan, before it was leveraged by America's adversaries in Salt Typhoon as a prepackaged surveillance network.

      • Mars008 39 minutes ago
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      • qsera 57 minutes ago
        >people will now mostly criticize and support ideas based on who proposed them, and not based on their merits.

        "People" were always like that and will be so..stupid. Let me quote Agent K from MIB for you.

        > A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it...

        The funny thing is that these are the same people who applauded obvious scams because Musk proposed it when they liked him...

    • ghshephard 31 minutes ago
      Just realize that Gwynne Shotwell is the driver for 99% of the day-day at SpaceX and you can ignore everything else.
      • danpalmer 3 minutes ago
        This used to be my rationalisation, but my understanding is that Shotwell is the driving force behind the commercial and Falcon sides of the business and that there's a quite strong cultural divide between that and the Starship/Starlink side of the business which is driven by Musk. Apparently there's a lot of culture clash there.
      • mrandish 5 minutes ago
        It's funny because I when realized it was signed by Elon I immediately wished it had been signed by Gwynne instead (although I'm sure it was reviewed by her anyway). I just knew being signed by Elon would push responses to being (even) more about Elon and divided along partisan political lines.

        Which, at this point, has already been beaten to death and is just... tiresome. While discussing the broad concept of space-based compute in general (outside of SpaceX, Elon, etc) can still actually be interesting.

    • nilamo 53 minutes ago
      Weird AI photos on this article, too. Like, it's cool. Take pictures of the cool thing you actually have.
      • fragmede 33 minutes ago
        Those aren't AI.
    • GroksBarnacles 1 hour ago
      I'm with you. Everything government that at least still pretended to serve the public interested and greater good has been openly captured by individuals and movements concerned with some more selfish agenda.
    • BenFranklin100 49 minutes ago
      The after effects of DOGE has left the NIH in tatters. Staff has been gutted, grants are months and months behind causing research groups and startups to go under.

      Whatever good Musk has accomplished with SpaceX will be offset by the harm he has done to biomedical research in the final accounting.

    • bigyabai 1 hour ago
      > the increasing use of NASA as US propaganda

      NASA has been propaganda since Operation Paperclip, sadly. It's hard to politicize something that's always been political, even if Musk gives Peenemünde optics a run for it's money.

    • narrator 1 hour ago
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      • emkoemko 59 minutes ago
        umm we all helped? its called taxes... how do you think Starship is being funded ?
        • eagerpace 55 minutes ago
          By an already super profitable SpaceX. The moon stuff is a drop in the bucket and only came well after success.

          What other company would you rather see funding go to?

          • overfeed 45 minutes ago
            > What other company would you rather see funding go to?

            I'd rather not give any welfare-queen company another taxpayer dime.

            • eagerpace 43 minutes ago
              Exactly. Complain but no other option.
              • overfeed 30 minutes ago
                The framing was BS. "I protest being groped without consent by this one guy". "Oh, which other goateed, gold-chain wearing pervert would you rather do it?"

                "None" is a full, and adequate answer.

                • eagerpace 12 minutes ago
                  We’re talking about rockets, not politics.
        • BoxedEmpathy 45 minutes ago
          Mostly starlink
  • phren0logy 1 hour ago
    I was disappointed when this was not the command line prompt library
    • analog_daddy 55 minutes ago
      Yeah same here. Isn’t it weird, thet i used to be a lot more excited about space travel however, as I grow older I am excited about things more closer to me. Still curious, but focus has shifted from great for humanity to will make my life easier. Just feels more closer and impactful (to me).
    • icosahedron 1 hour ago
      Same!
  • moralestapia 1 hour ago
    Yay, go Elon!

    What SpaceX has accomplished is just phenomenal.

    • brcmthrowaway 1 hour ago
      Found an investor in the IPO
      • BoxedEmpathy 44 minutes ago
        I don't like Elon and I'm still going to buy into the SpaceX IPO
        • stickfigure 31 minutes ago
          Why? Have you run the math and genuinely belive the future profits justify the valuation, or is your thesis that there will be greater fools?

          Do you actually believe this data centers in space nonsense?

  • sergiotapia 47 minutes ago
    Spacex may be the most important company on the planet. What greater goal is there than expanding humanity to the stars!
    • AlexErrant 36 minutes ago
      Is this rhetorical? Feeding the hungry. Healing the sick. Educating the masses. Etc, etc.

      I'm a big space fan, don't get me wrong. But your exuberance uh, needs tempering.

    • nilkn 34 minutes ago
      We have about 600 million years before we'd need to perform serious planetary engineering to remain on Earth and about a billion years before humanity must leave Earth to survive.

      Right now, the greatest threat to our survival and prosperity is humanity itself.

    • imbusy111 40 minutes ago
      Figuring out a way to coexist peacefully before expanding any further.
    • tfyoung 40 minutes ago
      Looking after the humanity we already have?
  • vzaliva 1 hour ago
    Reading reports of people objecting datacenters build in their states I wonder how Florida residents feel about the Spaceport ? It will certainly be more distruptive than datacenters.
    • vjvjvjvjghv 1 hour ago
      Some people close to their facility in Texas aren’t too happy with the noise.
      • r14c 40 minutes ago
        From what I understand about the Texas facility, SpaceX has also not honored their agreements regarding protected wildlife zones in the area. Damage from explosions is understandable, but they apparently not taken sufficient precautions to protect the surrounding area from their regular operations.
    • nik282000 1 hour ago
      There's only one Spaceport.
      • gpm 1 hour ago
        SpaceX has openly advertised their intent to turn starship into a faster long distance travel alternative to airplanes. Their intent, should all go well, is to have many, many, spaceports.

        For their conventional space launch operations they also want multiple... to target different orbits, and to parallelize the high volume operations they anticipate.

        There's already two Starship launch sites. The one in use in Texas, and one (LC-39A) in development at Kennedy Space Center, Florida. And there's good reason to believe they've begun planning a third in Louisiana. https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=64900.0

    • jdw64 1 hour ago
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    • tristanj 1 hour ago
      A spaceport will probably use less water /s

      On a more serious note, the Cape Canaveral area / Kennedy Space Center has a large amount of empty land to build space infrastructure. The island has been dedicated to space facilities since the 1960s. Both SpaceX and Blue Origin have facilities there.