.de TLD offline due to DNSSEC?

(dnssec-analyzer.verisignlabs.com)

447 points | by warpspin 2 hours ago

59 comments

  • Aldipower 1 hour ago
    Apparently the DENIC team was on a party this evening! Party hard, but not too hard. https://bsky.app/profile/denic.de/post/3ml4r2lvcjg2h
    • FinnKuhn 1 hour ago
      A real party killer if I have ever seen one.
      • SOLAR_FIELDS 1 hour ago
        At least all of the appropriate people were in a room together when the outage happened
        • SpaceNoodled 58 minutes ago
          Sounds like poor risk pooling. If that room crashed, we'd have nobody to fix this.
          • bflesch 50 minutes ago
            nation state actor picking right time to sabotage a tiny part of the key rotation process. on monday someone cut major fiber lines, on tuesday DENIC is failing.

            maybe someone is showing off?

    • walrus01 1 hour ago
      Interesting "bus problem" to have in a scenario where everyone who is qualified, experienced and trusted enough to commit lives changes (or perform a revert, undo results of a botched maintenance, etc) in an emergency situation is not completely sober.
  • krystofbe 2 hours ago
    Looks like a DNSSEC issue, not a nameserver outage. Validating resolvers SERVFAIL on every .de name with EDE:

    RRSIG with malformed signature found for a0d5d1p51kijsevll74k523htmq406bk.de/nsec3 (keytag=33834) dig +cd amazon.de @8.8.8.8 works, dig amazon.de @a.nic.de works. Zone data is intact, DENIC just published an RRSIG over an NSEC3 record that doesn't validate against ZSK 33834. Every validating resolver therefore refuses to answer.

    Intermittency fits anycast: some [a-n].nic.de instances still serve the previous (good) signatures, so retries occasionally land on a healthy auth. Per DENIC's FAQ the .de ZSK rotates every 5 weeks via pre-publish, so this smells like a botched rollover.

    • qazwsxedchac 1 hour ago
      So a single configuration mistake in a single place wiped out external reachability of a major economy. It happened in the evening local time and should be fixable, modulo cache TTLs, by morning. This will limit the blast radius somewhat.

      Still, at this level, brittle infrastructure is a political risk. The internet's famous "routing around damage" isn't quite working here. Should make for an interesting post mortem.

      • pocksuppet 46 minutes ago
        DNS is a centralization risk, yes. Somehow we've decided this is fine. DNSSEC isn't the only issue - your TLD's nameservers could also be offline, or censored in your country.
        • skywhopper 26 minutes ago
          DNS is barely centralized. Is there an alternative global name lookup system that is less centralized without even worse downsides?
        • cyberax 13 minutes ago
          Not really? .com and .net are still up

          If Let's Encrypt goes down, half of the Internet will become inaccessible in a week.

          • ButlerianJihad 3 minutes ago
            I remember how they launched with the altruistic idea of making certificates free and easy for all the world. How burdensome to suddenly find yourself a victim of your own success, and a SPOF.

            https://m.xkcd.com/2347/

      • lschueller 37 minutes ago
        I have a bad feeling, that the impact will be quite severe for some services, as monitoring, performance, and security services might get disrupted. and just cleaning up is a big mess.. Worst case, some ot will experience outage and / or damage. But maybe I am just overestimating the severity of this.
      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        It looks like a failed key replacement during a scheduled maintenance event. Normally this sort of thing is thoroughly tested and has multiple eyes on for detailed review and planning before changes get committed, but obviously something got missed.
      • the8472 50 minutes ago
        fail-closed protocols have introduced some brittleness. A HTTP 1.0 server from 1999 probably still can service visitors today. A HTTPS/TLS 1.0 server from the same year wouldn't.
    • dlopes7 1 hour ago
      I love how I work with IT for 20 years and don't understand a single acronym here other than DNSSEC
      • icedchai 47 minutes ago
        I've been in IT 30+ years, been running DNS, web servers, etc. since at least 1994. I haven't bothered with DNSSEC due to perceived operational complexity. The penalty for a screw up, a total outage, just doesn't seem worth the security it provides.
      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        To be fair, advanced real world knowledge of public/private key PKIs (x.509 or other), things like root CAs, are a fairly esoteric and very specialized field of study. There's people whose regular day jobs are nothing but doing stuff with PKI infrastructure and their depth of knowledge on many other non-PKI subjects is probably surface level only.
        • hannob 1 hour ago
          I know quite a bit about PKI and X.509, and I can tell you that much: the overlap with how DNSSEC works is limited.
          • silisili 48 minutes ago
            As is the overlap between DNSSEC and DNS itself, to be honest.

            I once worked at the level of administering DNSSEC for 300+ TLDs. It's its own world. When that company was winding down, I tried to continue in the field but the most common response (outside of no response, of course), was 'we already have a DNS team/vendor/guy.' And well, then things like this happen. I won't throw stones though, it's a lot to learn and can be incredibly brittle.

        • hathawsh 1 hour ago
          Is that actually true, though? Even though it's not really my job, I find myself debugging certificates and keys at least once a month, and that's after automating as much as possible with certbot and cloud certificates. PKI always seems to demand attention.
          • walrus01 59 minutes ago
            In my initial comment, I meant more in terms of complexity and planning from the perspective of the people who are running the public/private key infrastructure on the other side/upstream of what you're doing as a letsencrypt end user.

            Broadly similar general concept to the team responsible for the DNSSSEC signing keys for an entire ccTLD.

            Yeah a x509 PKI / root CA is a very different thing than DNSSSEC but they have a number of general logical similarities in that the chain of trust ultimately comes down to a "do not fuck this up" single point of failure.

        • mschuster91 1 hour ago
          It's not made easier by the fact that a lot of cryptography is either very old and arcane or it's one hell of a mess of code that doesn't make sense without reading standards.

          I had the misfortune of having to dig deep into constructing ASN.1 payloads by hand [1] because that's the only thing Java speaks, and oh holy hell is this A MESS because OF COURSE there's two ways to encode a bunch of bytes (BIT STRING vs OCTET STRING) and encoding ed25519 keys uses BOTH [2].

          And ed25519 is a mess in itself. The more-or-less standard implementation by orlp [3] is almost completely lacking any comments explaining what is going on where and reading the relevant RFCs alone doesn't help, it's probably only understandable by reading a 500 pages math paper.

          It's almost as if cryptographers have zero interest in interested random people to join the field.

          End of rant.

          [1] https://github.com/msmuenchen/meshcore-packets-java/blob/mai...

          [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8410#appendix-A

          [3] https://github.com/orlp/ed25519/tree/master

      • bflesch 47 minutes ago
        Don't worry, that's by design ;)
  • tom1337 18 minutes ago
    Cloudflare has now disabled DNSSEC validation on their 1.1.1.1 resolver: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/vjrk8c8w37lz
  • tom1337 1 hour ago
    I have never used DNSSEC and never really bothered implementing it, but do I understand it correctly that we took the decentralized platform DNS was and added a single-point-of-failure certificate layer on top of it which now breaks because the central organisation managing this certificate has an outage taking basically all domains with them?
    • gucci-on-fleek 55 minutes ago
      > which now breaks because the central organisation managing this certificate has an outage

      The ".de" TLD is inherently managed by a single organization, and things wouldn't be much better if its nameservers went down. Some of the records would be cached by downstream resolvers, but not all of them, and not for very long.

      > we took the decentralized platform DNS was and added a single-point-of-failure certificate layer on top of it

      DNSSEC actually makes DNS more decentralized: without DNSSEC, the only way to guarantee a trustworthy response is to directly ask the authoritative nameservers. But with DNSSEC, you can query third-party caching resolvers and still be able to trust the response because only a legitimate answer will have a valid signature.

      Similarly, without DNSSEC, a domain owner needs to absolutely trust its authoritative nameservers, since they can trivially forge trusted results. But with DNSSEC, you don't need to trust your authoritative nameservers nearly as much [0], meaning that you can safely host some of them with third-parties.

      [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47409728

      • tom1337 40 minutes ago
        > DNSSEC actually makes DNS more decentralized: without DNSSEC, the only way to guarantee a trustworthy response is to directly ask the authoritative nameservers. But with DNSSEC, you can query third-party caching resolvers and still be able to trust the response because only a legitimate answer will have a valid signature.

        but how would one verify the signature if the DNSKEY expired and you cannot fetch a fresh one because the organisation providing those keys is down? As far as I understood the TTL for those keys is different and for DENIC it seems to be 1h [0]. So if they are down for more than an hour and all RRSIG caches expire, DNS zones which have a higher TTL than 1h but use DNSSEC would also be down?

        [0] dig RRSIG de. @8.8.8.8

        de. 3600 IN RRSIG DNSKEY 8 1 3600 20260519214514 20260505201514 26755 de. [...]

        • gucci-on-fleek 27 minutes ago
          > but how would one verify the signature if the DNSKEY expired and you cannot fetch a fresh one because the organisation providing those keys is down?

          In theory, this shouldn't happen, because if you use the same TTLs for your DNSSEC records and your "regular" records, then if the regular records are present in the cache, the DNSSEC records will be too.

          > So if they are down for more than an hour and all RRSIG caches expire, DNS zones which have a higher TTL than 1h but use DNSSEC would also be down?

          Yes, but I'd argue that the DNSSEC records should have the same TTLs for exactly this reason. That's how my domain is set up at least:

            $ dig +nocmd +nocomments +nostats +dnssec @any.ca-servers.ca. maxchernoff.ca. DS
            ;maxchernoff.ca.                        IN      DS
            maxchernoff.ca.         86400   IN      DS      62673 15 2 487B95FEFF04265826F037C9DB2E1F14FF9ADBF2C7BE246A2B9F9BFD 481BE928
            maxchernoff.ca.         86400   IN      RRSIG   DS 13 2 86400 20260512131336 20260505104433 46762 ca. ppc9LrWniPWdAI2Xq1g3FrYJGQVYayA5TtgFRkJfqOqNfe6zu/n0gwti IO3c9pOoUpIum5gPB6GLOGbGU+sfhg==
            
            $ dig +nocmd +nocomments +nostats +dnssec @ns.maxchernoff.ca. maxchernoff.ca. DNSKEY
            ;maxchernoff.ca.                        IN      DNSKEY
            maxchernoff.ca.         86400   IN      DNSKEY  257 3 15 DYs9mPDMRx/hQ9R9iGLi1Ysx1eFdhlXeCujY6PqJWeU=
            maxchernoff.ca.         86400   IN      RRSIG   DNSKEY 15 2 86400 20260518072823 20260504055823 62673 maxchernoff.ca. RgPyEvB/kjXIvoidRNF/hfm7utzDs0kxXn4qJL17TUAVYOdbLl0Vd8zt E52bGBBFv2TNEnf9O9LkiT2GBH0jAA==
            
            $ dig +nocmd +nocomments +nostats +dnssec @ns.maxchernoff.ca. maxchernoff.ca. A
            ;maxchernoff.ca.                        IN      A
            maxchernoff.ca.         86400   IN      A       152.53.36.213
            maxchernoff.ca.         86400   IN      RRSIG   A 15 2 86400 20260518072823 20260504055823 62673 maxchernoff.ca. bRfTVHnMjCFRaIh5uc0aT1vD4yh1UZrqOZDRunLbxFI1eth6nNlTiOOC xti7axVoXwB6VAoHOAnW0nL0eeJNDQ==
          • tom1337 19 minutes ago
            Thanks for explaining. I thought that once any key in the chain-of-trust of any domains DNSSEC expired the whole record went stale but turns out that was a wrong assumption. If the DNSKEY and the other records have the same TTL and the DNSSEC verification is also "cached" then that makes a lot more sense.
            • gucci-on-fleek 6 minutes ago
              > I thought that once any key in the chain-of-trust of any domains DNSSEC expired the whole record went stale but turns out that was a wrong assumption.

              No, that actually is true, but I think (?) that the part that you were missing is that DNSSEC records are mostly the same as any other record, so they can be cached the same way. And since most resolvers are DNSSEC-enabled these days, they'll tend to request (and therefore cache) the DNSSEC records at the same time as the regular records.

              There are tons of edge cases here, but it should hopefully be pretty rare for a cache to have a current A/AAAA record and stale/missing DNSSEC records.

              > the DNSSEC verification is also "cached"

              Technically the verification itself isn't cached, but since verification only depends on the chain of DNSSEC records, and those records are cached, it has the same effect.

    • wahern 26 minutes ago
      DNSSEC doesn't change the degree to which DNS is decentralized. It's always been hierarchical. In the absence of caching, every DNS query starts with a request to the root DNS servers. For foo.com or foo.de, you first need to query the root servers to determine the nameservers responsible for .com and .de. Then you contact the .com or .de servers to ask for the foo.com and foo.de nameservers. All DNSSEC does is add signatures to these responses, and adds public keys so you can authenticate responses the next level down.

      A list of root nameserver IP addresses is included with every local recursive DNS resolver. The list changes, albeit slowly, over the years. With DNSSEC, this list also includes public keys of those root servers, which also rotate, slowly.

    • Medowar 1 hour ago
      What you see here is decentralisation working. The issue is with the operator of the de TLD, and as such only that TLD is affected. DNS is not decentralised in such a way, that multiple organisations run the infrastructure of a TLD, those are always run by a single entity.(.com and .net are operated by Verisign)

      So what the issue is, that the operator has, does not change the impact.

      • AndroTux 49 minutes ago
        What if the root (.) certificate breaks?
        • pocksuppet 43 minutes ago
          Resolvers are free to cache each TLD's keys. There's a finite, well-known list of TLDs and their keys - you can download all the root zone data from IANA: https://www.iana.org/domains/root/files (it's a few megabytes in uncompressed text form)

          The world might be a little bit better with more decentralization of the root zone.

  • siva7 1 hour ago
    Crazy. I can't remember an incident like this ever happened before and it's still not fixed? .de is probably the most important unrestricted domain after .com from an economical perspective. Millions of businesses are "down".
    • rwmj 1 hour ago
      I remember when .com went down, in July 1997.

      https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/we...

      • ctippett 1 hour ago
        > For instance, the name "www.nytimes.com" corresponds to nine different computers that answer requests for The New York Times on the Web, one of which is 199.181.172.242

          $ dig -x 199.181.172.242 +short
          www2.nytimes.com.
        
        Neat.
    • AndroTux 1 hour ago
      DENIC apparently resolved all .de domains to NXDOMAIN in 2010: https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/12/germany_top_level_dom...
    • lschueller 1 hour ago
      It's Germany, pessimistic time estimation + 1/3 and you are in a realistic time frame for the issue being resolved.
      • warpspin 1 hour ago
        It's night. Somebody has to fill a form to approve night work first.
        • daneel_w 2 minutes ago
          And then fax the form to the correct authority, so that the request is Official(tm).
        • carstenhag 42 minutes ago
          I know that people are joking, but of course we also have (extra paid) on call shifts.
        • greyhound 1 hour ago
          And send it by post for approval, which will take 5-30 business days.
          • dgellow 27 minutes ago
            Fax, actually! Will still take 5–30 business days for approval, for some reasons
          • 9dev 1 hour ago
            Oh come on, that’s not true. You could also fax it. That might come with an additional processing fee though.
          • rasz 1 hour ago
            Dont be ridiculous, thats what FAX is for.
        • snapetom 1 hour ago
          Luckily it's not Sunday. Everyone would be out in the country hiking.
      • Cockbrand 1 hour ago
        In addition: it's Germany, pessimistic cost estimation + 2000%, and you are in a realistic budget for the issue being resolved.
    • carstenhag 40 minutes ago
      Well it was already very late in the day (21-22?) so the impact was not big I would say
    • HDBaseT 51 minutes ago
      Germany isn't as big as you think.
      • trollbridge 50 minutes ago
        Yeah it's only the third largest economy in the world
  • pocksuppet 1 hour ago
    I must be early. There's not a single tptacek DNSSEC rant in this thread yet.
    • tptacek 1 minute ago
      What would I need to rant about? Sometimes the world does my ranting for me.
    • apaprocki 27 minutes ago
      Maybe he drank a little too much Malört with the DENIC team last night?
    • aberoham 1 hour ago
      He’s busy with MathAcademy earning XP-SEC
    • 0123456789ABCDE 1 hour ago
      doesn't this event speak for itself though?
      • Avamander 59 minutes ago
        Kind-of. But there are worse things than outages when it's PKIs we're talking about. DNSSEC is also extremely opaque and unmonitored. Any compromise will not be noticed. Nor will anyone have any recourse against misbehaving roots.

        Fun fact, CloudFlare has used the same KSK for zones it serves more than a decade now.

    • mike-cardwell 1 hour ago
      Perhaps he's moribund
  • Zopieux 4 minutes ago
    That postmortem should be a fun read, can't wait.
  • chromehearts 2 hours ago
    I was STRESSING tf out because I wasn't able to connect to my services & apps through my domains like at all .. they only work when using my phone data ? .. thank god it's not my fault this time
    • Locke80 2 hours ago
      But we're Germans, and we need someone to blame.
      • lschueller 1 hour ago
        Thank god for the german chain of blame: 1. The system 2. The neighbor 3. China
        • warpspin 1 hour ago
          You definitely forgot Merkel and Habeck.
      • AndroTux 1 hour ago
        I'm blaming chromehearts anyways
  • sundiver 2 hours ago
    Yes, all .de domains down because of DNSSEC failure at Denic https://dnsviz.net/d/de/dnssec/
  • sunaookami 2 hours ago
    https://status.denic.de/ says "Partial Service Disruption" for DNS Nameservice now.

    EDIT: it says "Service Disruption" now

    • port3000 56 minutes ago
      Even when every site in the world’s 3rd biggest economy goes down it’s still just a ‘Partial’ service disruption :D
    • gruselhaus 51 minutes ago
      Whole Germany is offline. DENIC: "Partial Service Disruption". That's one way to phrase it.
    • MASNeo 2 hours ago
      At least they have some humor left.

      Edit: Now even the humor is gone.

      • sunaookami 1 hour ago
        Can only be topped when the status page is not reachable anymore :D

        EDIT: called it...

        • lschueller 1 hour ago
          Or only accessible through a german dns server
    • niklasrde 1 hour ago
      It says "Server Not Found" now
  • kuerbel 2 hours ago
    I just spent the better half of an hour to debug unbound and the pihole because I thought it's a me problem...

    Good news though, if you add domain-insecure: "de" to your unbound config everything works fine

    • Bender 2 hours ago
      I don't even enable DNSSEC in Unbound. There just isn't enough adoption yet for me to feel like I am missing out on something, yet.

      "Cloudflare Radar data shows 8.11% of domains are signed with DNSSEC, but only 0.47% of queries are validated end-to-end." [1]

      Zones I may care about:

      - Amazon.com: unsigned

      - My banks: unsigned

      - Hacker News: unsigned

      - Email that I do not host: unsigned

      - My power companies billing: unsigned

      - I found some! id.me and irs.gov are signed.

      [1] - https://technologychecker.io/blog/dnssec-adoption

    • V__ 1 hour ago
      Just before the outage happened I updated multiple client servers. That was a very stressfull hour trying to figure out why nothing works.
    • victorbjorklund 2 hours ago
      Same haha
    • chromehearts 2 hours ago
      SAMEEEEE !!!
  • __michaelg 2 hours ago
    Finally establishing the concept of Feiertag on the internet. Come back tomorrow.
    • throw1234567891 1 hour ago
      Internetfreie Dienstage, 21st century variant of Autofreie Sonntage.
    • 9753268996433 1 hour ago
      Using this newfangled thingamabob on a silent holiday will result in the police kicking in your door the next morning.
  • 1vuio0pswjnm7 2 hours ago
    .de TLD is online. DNS working fine

    DNSSEC not working

    If using an open resolver, i.e., a shared DNS cache, e.g., third party DNS service such as Google, Cloudflare, etc., then it might fail, or it might not. It depends on the third party DNS provider

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/118/materials/slides-11...

  • amelius 19 minutes ago
    Maybe related to this? Crazy idea, but nothing surprises me anymore.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/01/politics/us-troop-withdra...

  • iknowstuff 2 hours ago
    Kurzgesagt predicted this, Germany is OVER
  • edb_123 37 minutes ago
    Things seem to be on their way up now, and https://status.denic.de/ is working again, at least from here.

    DENIC's status page currently says "Frankfurt am Main, 5 May 2026 – DENIC eG is currently experiencing a disruption in its DNS service for .de domains. As a result, all DNSSEC-signed .de domains are currently affected in their reachability. The root cause of the disruption has not yet been fully identified. DENIC’s technical teams are working intensively on analysis and on restoring stable operations as quickly as possible.

  • nfreising 1 hour ago
    They can join the (rather long) list of TLD DNSSEC outages https://ianix.com/pub/dnssec-outages.html
  • yassiniz 1 hour ago
    Shops open normally from 8am to 8pm in Germany. Today we decided to pilot opening hours for .de domains as well
  • yowmamasita 1 hour ago
    The same day Kurzgesagt posted their video “Germany is over”. Huh. https://youtu.be/n-gYFcVx-8Y
  • dwedge 1 hour ago
    On a slightly unrelated note, I was setting nameservers for two .de domains a few weeks ago and thought my provider was being crazily strict because they kept getting rejected. Turns out you can't point to a nameserver until that nameserver has a zone for the domain, and you can't use nameservers from two providers unless those two providers are both in the NS records at both ends
    • whalesalad 1 hour ago
      Common paint point with DNSSEC. It’s brutal in the domain industry because when you buy a name with DNSSEC enabled it oftentimes can’t be setup to resolve due to these sorts of issues. Typically seller needs to deactivate first.
  • kaltsturm 2 hours ago
  • kangalioo 2 hours ago
    So glad I found someone mention this. Amazon.de, SPIEGEL.de is down. Highly prominent sites unreachable. I wonder how long this will last and how big of a thing this ends up being once people talk about it :o Feels big to me
    • moltar 2 hours ago
      Both examples open for me
      • irundebian 2 hours ago
        Some domains work, some not. I assume that working domains are cached.
    • balou23 2 hours ago
      amazon.de, spiegel.de are down for me, too. heise.de works, but that might've been cached somewhere on my side.
      • yk 2 hours ago
        dig manages to dig out ips for heise.de and tagesschau.de but not spiegel.de amazon.de and google.de However, dig @8.8.8.8 has still amazon.de cached, unlike 1.1.1.1 so perhaps Google to the rescue?

        [Edit] After playing around with it, google seems to have at least some pages cached. After setting dns to 8.8.8.8 amazon.de and spiegel.de work again, my blog does not.

    • theanonymousone 1 hour ago
      idealo.de, ebay.de, and spiegel.de are down, but amazon.de opens for me.
  • merb 2 hours ago
    Well at least it’s night time which means it’s hopefully resolved in the morning.

    Looks like it failed after a maintenance: https://www.namecheap.com/status-updates/planned-denic-de-re...

    https://status.denic.de/

    • gpvos 1 hour ago
      If so, it still worked for several hours after the maintenance was completed.
  • taf2 20 minutes ago
    ok i picked a bad day to move from one register to another... i just spent the last hour frantically trying to figure out why the new register screwed us or the old register was screwing us...
  • elevation 1 hour ago
    I've considered hard-coding some addresses into firmware as a fallback for a DNS outtage (which is more likely than not just misconfigured local DNS.) Events like this help justify this approach to the unconcerned.
    • whalesalad 1 hour ago
      The irony is that DNS is a global and distributed system meant to be resilient. It’s the DNSSEC layer on top in this case causing problems.
      • cedilla 1 hour ago
        denic is the single source of truth for zones under .de.

        The only problem with DNSSEC here is that it's complex.

  • kaltsturm 1 hour ago
    Denic should work out a desaster recovery test - like: https://blog.apnic.net/2022/02/14/disaster-recovery-with-dns...
  • kaltsturm 1 hour ago
    Denic will be added to the "Major DNSSEC Outages and Validation Failures" list: https://ianix.com/pub/dnssec-outages.html
  • 0x80h 1 hour ago
    Am I reading this correctly? All .de domains are down? Looking forward to reading the postmortem.
  • edo888 1 hour ago
  • g4cg54g54 1 hour ago
    funfact: enabling DNS sec NOW will fix your domain instantly if dnssec was disabled before

    -> no idea if that also "heals" anyone who had dnssec on before.

    -> no idea if maybe they need to roll back something and then rebreak the new dnssec i made a minute later lol...

  • hmilch99 2 hours ago
    https://pastebin.com/2mQUB8xX seems like someone's going to have a lot of fun tonight
  • kaltsturm 46 minutes ago
    from my analysis DENIC resigned the .de zone today (May 5, 2026, ~17:49 UTC). The DNSSEC signature (RRSIG) for the NSEC3 record covering the hash range of nearly all .de TLD is cryptographically broken (malformed).
  • nuil 2 hours ago
  • Oarch 44 minutes ago
    Germany has fallen.
  • yosamino 2 hours ago
    The last time .de I remember .de had a major outage like this was 2010. I would cite some sources but... you know. That was a fun afternoon, though.

    I am very happy that it doesn't happen more often.

  • warpspin 2 hours ago
    Whole .de TLD seems to go offline right now due to dnssec or missing nic.de nameservers?
    • fweimer 2 hours ago
      This works:

          $ unbound-host -t A www.denic.de
          www.denic.de has address 81.91.170.12
      
      This does not:

          $ unbound-host -D -t A www.denic.de
          www.denic.de has address 81.91.170.12
          validation failure <www.denic.de. A IN>: signature crypto failed from 194.246.96.1 for DS denic.de. while building chain of trust
      
      So it does seem DNSSEC-related.

      EDIT My explanation was wrong, this is not how keytags work. The published keytag data is consistent:

          de. 3600 IN DNSKEY 256 3 8 AwEAAfRLmzuIXVf7x5A0+U7hke0dS+GEJG0EdPhnOthCCLhy0t0WqLyoXJOhnfsTJ8vQX5fd9qOJc9gyr3SWJZkXAhPm3yPSC7FWWHF70WZTKKM9CekmKdqwMwq6ZCjMSUcecCuSF4Sbt1MRszV7rFmfGVklA1l5UzNbqwD+Dr5vfcLn ;{id = 33834 (zsk), size = 1024b}
          de. 3600 IN DNSKEY 257 3 8 AwEAAbWUSd/QN9Ae543xzdiacY6qbjwtZ21QfmdgxRdm4Z7bjjHWy249uqxCyjjjoS4LDoRDKmj7ElffMKvTWKE1qFKu0p8TUy4wyhX0M+m5FUjvQ3CiZMi+qY7GSHA5B+Zd73cidmnTeb3e8lso6jEsXg05/VZ2AyAqWF6FexEIFxIqiwwLk4UP0BwZ17Ur3q1qx9VSbPMyHgQ9d6nHUN1EEJsTDA2v0vKumsUyp74ZanRZ/bB/6IzpaaZyr5BLF5pSCNdbRNjVmkwYD0993vm79LueyOeibsoHRc16jhALrIJou1PFjdq7YQsYN0KtqRiJtaAfPprDBREpeamPuW/MnW0= ;{id = 26755 (ksk), size = 2048b}
          de. 3600 IN DNSKEY 256 3 8 AwEAAbTe1PJi8EgIudNGb+KRTxBL2aCu5rXkZ+aIe/TC88pwRdrXYeXODp1ihZWFop5CrbWRBLrk/YUPBE8aBc6oJP+58dSkdMLYkjSkmvdvYx+zXnRLWlF2bapxvZxshATJDfGjGbCiWxKEOoyRx3UhICtHC+cUSddsEvzfacUcBb6n ;{id = 32911 (zsk), size = 1024b}
          de. 3600 IN RRSIG DNSKEY 8 1 3600 20260519030655 20260505013655 26755 de. ke56T5GZt/X6zMBAF+ouyCTnAd7RY7MsnDcfa9jyyOwSouRXhvzim/V13JDTMBAnpAHxWQXoruXrAZ6A6re5N+8Pp2utVkAEKTWs0r4UOLNKoZ2+zMwNplKjNNnY5PJIbHfa5myyziLiIsi//qDIgQEACFk+pZcHXrRdqRoXPCL3UtfaXjk3+duDQdlPnYsJys5UshjVpkALSMChW7J0anzr0sG+f9ytstBneymMwFYOUC3NqbejbLPZsXGPZBQKPAoVJuV5q3znopbcqrDFfjI7bmX3QPYNvOaiT1ElBfi2piJVpDzMaMAmm2jCmvrf5VeTOBccMroh8sBtDPsaEg== ;{id = 26755}
      
      The signature on the SOA record still does not verify:

          de. 86400 IN SOA f.nic.de. dns-operations.denic.de. 1778014672 7200 7200 3600000 7200
          de. 86400 IN RRSIG SOA 8 1 86400 20260519205754 20260505192754 33834 de. aZoiAJ+PaHUDVSHNXfV/R26ZK3GpFB7ek2Z46VnZdmPEDaTww+a7PkiQ98W83xohUunXYSvQCMeGYfUre5UT76eBKThdxW2a6ImX9/x/oEzQ9x/69Y/NSeTckOv9m3HCLBOug01op1koiHOIAVEvonOmXEHHqo1P4sR/fNbcVg4= ;{id = 33834}
    • kaltsturm 2 hours ago
      not all: https://www.heise.de/ works
      • edb_123 1 hour ago
        Doesn't work here, at least not anymore. Every single .de domain I have tried doesn't resolve.
      • warpspin 1 hour ago
        Probably just a high TTL.
        • 0123456789ABCDE 1 hour ago
          can confirm, at least another 54k seconds from where i sit
  • victorbjorklund 2 hours ago
    I was just wondering what was up with our .de site.
  • jamietanna 2 hours ago
    Was wondering why a few of my sites aren't CSSing, as they use https://classless.de
  • kaltsturm 44 minutes ago
    With chrome it works again
  • kaltsturm 1 hour ago
    even their own status page is not reachable: https://status.denic.de/

    As fallback they should use their X account: https://x.com/denic_de

    • dgellow 1 hour ago
      Seems to be up now?

      May 5, 2026 23:28 CEST

      May 5, 2026 21:28 UTC

      INVESTIGATING

      Frankfurt am Main, 5 May 2026 – DENIC eG is currently experiencing a disruption in its DNS service for .de domains. As a result, all DNSSEC-signed .de domains are currently affected in their reachability. The root cause of the disruption has not yet been fully identified. DENIC’s technical teams are working intensively on analysis and on restoring stable operations as quickly as possible. Based on current information, users and operators of .de domains may experience impairments in domain resolution. Further updates will be provided as soon as reliable findings on the cause and recovery are available. DENIC asks all affected parties for their understanding. For further enquiries, DENIC can be contacted via the usual channels.

      • elch 1 hour ago
        All .de domains are down for me.
      • kaltsturm 1 hour ago
        with firefox: KO with chrome: OK
    • sunaookami 1 hour ago
  • Animux 44 minutes ago
    Seems to be fixed now.
  • lxgr 2 hours ago
    Wow, I thought I was somehow unaffected but my resolver must just have cached the sites I'd tried.
  • tarruda 1 hour ago
    Mailbox.org (also from Germany) seems to be experiencing issues too.
  • jiveturkey 34 minutes ago
    It’s not DNS

    There’s no way it’s DNS

    It was DNSSEC

  • binghatch 2 hours ago
    Wow… it’s definitely not all .de TLDs, but a lot of prominent ones definitely.
    • phit_ 2 hours ago
      its gonna be all .de domains once caches dry out, anything that still works right now is bound to eventually fail until the underlying issue is resolved
      • fossdd 2 hours ago
        Any .de domain with DNSSEC
        • mrngm 1 hour ago
          Unfortunately, even domains that did not have DNSSEC enabled earlier today are affected.

          We observed issues on a non-DNSSEC .de domain at 19:45Z and confirmed around 20:12Z it wasn't just us, but also more high profile domain names.

        • meineerde 2 hours ago
          Any .de domain is affected, regardless of the domain's dnssec deployment status, as long as you use a resolver which validates dnssec.
    • eliaskg 1 hour ago
      Amazon is completely down in Germany. Not only on amazon.de, even in the app.
  • whalesalad 1 hour ago
    You can visually see this anomaly in many of CF Radar's charts: https://radar.cloudflare.com/dns/de?dateRange=1d
  • bflesch 57 minutes ago
    On Monday there was a huge outage affecting several cities quite close to Frankfurt because someone cut major fiber line; today DENIC is having a party and right when everyone is drunk this happens because some post-rotation task cannot be completed.

    There are too many coincidences happening.

  • dark-star 2 hours ago
    How come I have zero problems with any .de domain I tried accessing in the last half hour?
    • AndroTux 1 hour ago
      maybe your upstream doesn't validate DNSSEC?
      • dark-star 1 hour ago
        maybe? I'm using PiHole and 8.8.8.8/1.1.1.1 as upstream, and both options show "DNSSEC" next to their options in settings, so I assumed DNSSEC was enabled (unless I have to enable this somewhere else as well?)
        • warpspin 1 hour ago
          That's weird cause 8.8.8.8/1.1.1.1 will already answer with SERVFAIL right now, unless the domain is still in the cache.
    • pw6hv 1 hour ago
      cache
  • sanbaideng 1 hour ago
    aiimageupscaler
  • jiggawatts 2 hours ago
    I work with a few people specialised in IT security, and some of them take their jobs too seriously and will "lock down" everything to the point that it becomes a very real risk that they lock out everyone including themselves.

    Fundamentally, security is a solution to an availability problem: The desire of the users is for a system to remain available despite external attack.

    Systems that become unavailable to everyone fail this requirement.

    A door with its keyhole welded shut is not "secure", it's broken.

    • QuantumNomad_ 1 hour ago
      Security is not just a solution to availability. It is also to keep sensitive data (PII, or business secrets, or passwords, or cryptographic private keys, and so on) away from the hands of bad actors.

      If I’m unable to use Amazon for 24 hours it doesn’t really matter. If a photo copy of my passport is leaked that’s worries and potential troubles for years.

    • senkora 1 hour ago
      Security = Confidentiality + Integrity + Availability

      or alternatively,

      Security = (exclude unauth'd reads) + (exclude unauth'd writes) + (include auth'd reads and auth'd writes)

      Gotta satisfy all parts in order to have security.

      • jiggawatts 1 hour ago
        If you squint at it, you can convert all three to just availability.

            Confidentiality = available to us, but nobody else.
        
            Integrity = available to us in a pristine condition.
        
        It's a bit reductive, I'll admit, but it can be a useful exercise in the same way that everything in an economy can be reduce to units of either: "human time", "money" or "energy". Roughly speaking they're interchangeable.

        E.g.: What's the benefit to you if your data is so confidential that you can't read it either? This is a real problem with some health information systems, where I can't access my own health records! Ditto with many government bureaucracies that keep my records safe and secure from me.

        • dnnddidiej 58 minutes ago
          That squint loses too much nuance. I don't think of a site data leak as an availiability problem.

          Bad UX and bugs are in general not always an availiability problem.

          If it hard to get what you want due to bad design but the site is up, the site is still up.

  • siginator 1 hour ago
    how is that possible?
  • pogii123 2 hours ago
    For me bmw.de works but www.bmw.de not
    • benny_s 2 hours ago
      bmw.de is down for me too
      • MikeNotThePope 2 hours ago
        Both domains page load for me from Amsterdam. I wonder if there's communication disruption. Undersea cable severed?
        • dark-star 2 hours ago
          You mean the big undersea cable between the Netherlands and Germany? ;-)
        • pogii123 2 hours ago
          $ nslookup bmw.de ~ Server: 8.8.8.8 Address: 8.8.8.8#53

          Non-authoritative answer: Name: bmw.de Address: 160.46.226.165

          $ nslookup www.bmw.de ~ ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 8.8.8.8, trying next server Server: 8.8.4.4 Address: 8.8.4.4#53

          * server can't find www.bmw.de: SERVFAIL

      • dark-star 1 hour ago
        both work for me from inside Germany
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