12 comments

  • levocardia 37 minutes ago
    The actual "sharing" was using the Meta pixel and TikTok's equivalent, presumably so the healthcare exchanges could do retargeting or similarity-based marketing to get people to sign up for health care coverage. Which, narrowly, seems like a reasonable thing to do. But of course using the pixel automatically "shares" the data with Meta/ByteDance/whoever, and they get to use it for whatever nefarious purpose they want.
  • wewtyflakes 1 hour ago
    It should be illegal to send the data, and illegal to accept it; burn both sides of that bridge.
    • 2ndorderthought 8 minutes ago
      Well the tech companies/offense contractors are probably using it to enrich the department of wars efforts. Hmm I wonder what they want health data for? Ohhh... Oh...
    • kevin_thibedeau 7 minutes ago
      It's a tracking pixel. They fool you into sending it.
    • goda90 29 minutes ago
      Every piece of data collected should be an opt-in both for the initial collection and any sharing to a third party. There should be an explanation for why it is collected and an explanation for what features are not possible if it is not collected. It should be a violation of the law to disable a feature based on failure to opt-in for data points that aren't absolutely necessary for the operation of that feature.
    • traderj0e 27 minutes ago
      At least make it an explicitly protected right to lie about your race in any context
    • bell-cot 41 minutes ago
      I wouldn't be surprised if both are illegal. But these days, the correlation between "X is illegal" and "larger org's do not do X" just ain't what it yousta be.
      • idle_zealot 23 minutes ago
        My understanding is that it's legal with opt-in, but the opt-in is allowed to be confusing, opaque, and sticky, so most people "consent" without informed consideration. We really need to revisit contract law in a modern context. Call me crazy but I don't think it's reasonable that our society operates in such a way that easily 90+% of people are subject to contract terms they signed but don't know or understand.
    • Eddy_Viscosity2 42 minutes ago
      Why would politicians ever pass such a law? Who do you think they work for?
      • post-it 33 minutes ago
        What's the point of this kind of comment? Have pro-citizen anti-corporate laws never been passed in the past?
        • kevin_thibedeau 4 minutes ago
          Only when Congress might be embarrassed. The VPPA exists so we can't find out what videos they watch in their spare time between orgies.
        • wilg 31 minutes ago
          The point of the comment is to spread toxic and deadly cynicism.
          • arikrahman 14 minutes ago
            And also to karma farm. Thankfully the comment is greyed out for what it is.
          • TheOtherHobbes 13 minutes ago
            You never see corporate media doing anything like that.
          • traderj0e 28 minutes ago
            If you never trust anyone at all, nobody will take advantage of you, instead you'll fool yourself.
      • applfanboysbgon 29 minutes ago
        They work for the people. In some countries, people actually vote for politicians that benefit the population. In other countries, people repeatedly vote for politicians despite knowing that those politicians are only interested in enriching themselves, with a track record going back decades of doing nothing but that. The problem, then, is the voters in certain countries, not the politicians.
        • dexterdog 17 minutes ago
          And in some countries people are only given a choice of two, neither of which benefit the population.
          • roughly 12 minutes ago
            Many of those countries have mechanisms by which one can express their preferences earlier in the process, ones which have been successfully used to pivot major political parties in new and unexpected directions, although those mechanisms are more complicated than just showing up at the end and whining about the results, so usually it's only motivated individuals and entities which leverage them.
      • wat10000 32 minutes ago
        Ideally because we'd vote in politicians who would do it, and vote out those who didn't.
        • nomorewords 26 minutes ago
          Is that even possible in the US anymore with donations and corporate backing being so important to a campaign?
          • wat10000 3 minutes ago
            It's certainly possible. Ultimately the voters do make the decision, even if they can be swayed. How realistic it might be, I can't say. We certainly need a lot more engagement with the process. There are far too many people ignoring the primaries and then complaining about their lack of choice in the general.
          • applfanboysbgon 24 minutes ago
            I don't believe donations or corporate backing had anything to do with Trump, for example, winning. Trump won because he genuinely appeals to the average voting American. American voters are willingly choosing to support these politicians and all of the consequences that entails.
            • fn-mote 20 minutes ago
              You can believe the latter but the former ignores everything we know about the effectiveness of advertising.

              And also about the targeting of swing districts.

            • dgellow 21 minutes ago
              For the president election, maybe, but without corporate backing of the GOP he would have to face an adversarial congress. Or at least, that’s the hope
  • downbad_ 21 minutes ago
    The richest tech companies and richest men in the world got rich by invading people's privacy and selling invasive ads.
    • mcmcmc 1 minute ago
      [delayed]
    • TehCorwiz 18 minutes ago
      > The richest tech companies and richest men in the world got rich by invading people's privacy and ~selling invasive ads.~

      I think you mean "manipulating content algorithms to favor their viewpoints and to target individuals for maximum effect."

  • deferredgrant 7 minutes ago
    This is especially bad for public services because trust is already fragile. People should not have to worry that applying for healthcare also enrolls them in a tracking graph.
  • tantalor 18 minutes ago
    > whether they provided details about whether they have incarcerated family members

    Okay. That's not much of a signal, is it? This is "metadata" level of detail.

  • lava_pidgeon 22 minutes ago
    Cookie Banner isn't such a bad idea now
  • fusslo 27 minutes ago
    > Nearly all of the 20 state-run health insurance exchanges in the US have added advertising trackers that transmit user activity

    ...why?

    > State officials say they embed this technology on the exchanges to measure marketing campaigns and to advertise to people who visit their sites

    What an absurdist reality we live in

    > Tara Lee, a spokesperson for the Washington state exchange, said the tracker on the site was used for advertising campaigns, adding that email, phone and country identifiers were shared with TikTok.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2026-healthcare-advertisi...

    Personally, I feel local government should not be engaging these services in this way. I don't feel that it's a wise use and that our government employees should be more protective of the public who use their services.

  • ZeidJ 1 hour ago
  • tamimio 10 minutes ago
    US isn’t a country, it’s an economic zone run by few corporates, who bribe and push law makers to pass whatever laws they like, everyone is winning except the citizens of that “country”.
  • josefritzishere 1 hour ago
    How is this not a HIPAA violation?
    • SoftTalker 38 minutes ago
      HIPAA applies to healthcare professionals and providers, not ad tech companies. And race and citizenship are not personal health-related data.
      • malcolmgreaves 11 minutes ago
        That's not actually true. It applies to health care data. If you're a software engineer making a system that includes HIPAA-protected data, you can face individual criminal liabilities for mishandling the data.
    • dekhn 59 minutes ago
      HIPAA as a law is intended to ease transfer of medical information, not restrict it.
      • ux266478 53 minutes ago
        That's not true. It's intended to define a regulated and standard means of transferring medical information while ensuring confidentiality and patient privacy.

        https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/laws-reg...

        You have to explicitly grant permission for your data to be sold. What's very likely is that either the healthcare provider or insurance company included a request for authorization to sell that data, and the authorization was signed without paying much attention to it.

        • dekhn 42 minutes ago
          You're referring to the privacy rule, which is only part of the law (and not its primary prupose). The original intent of the law was to ensure easy transfer of information to keep health coverage when changing jobs. The privacy rule was not even part of the original law, it was added by HHS 3 years later. See more details here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9576/
          • arikrahman 12 minutes ago
            The article you cited states congress was aware of privacy concerns at the time and covered them as part of the third stated provision.
      • aksss 37 minutes ago
        Narrator: "But it did neither."

        Honestly, we're better off with it than without it, speaking as someone with exposure to that industry's internals. That act drives a lot of good security practice within the organizations (mostly liability shifting, but still good). Specifically, the fear it instills of ruinous penalties from regulators drives good practice adoption, IME.

        Further, multiple crappy patient portals across providers is a crummy experience, but it's an improvement over the world where providers held the data hostage and had zero interest in accommodating your requests for it, or even the idea that you owned it.

      • ButlerianJihad 18 minutes ago
        The second “P” in HIPAA stands for “Privacy”
        • dekhn 17 minutes ago
          I wonder if that's why so many people write it as HIPPA.
      • SirFatty 52 minutes ago
        "The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of 1996 is a US federal law designed to protect sensitive patient health information from disclosure without consent."
        • nickff 38 minutes ago
          Could you please cite the source for that quote? I looked for it, but couldn't find a source; it seems like an AI hallucination.
          • nickthegreek 35 minutes ago
            Why would you call it an hallucination because you cant find immediately locate the source? You didnt say what in the single sentence would make you jump to that conclusion.

            I highlighted SirFatty's text, looked up on google and first result show it near verbatim on cdc.gov.

            https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/php/resources/health-insurance-port...

            • dekhn 33 minutes ago
              Here's the original text of the bill's purpose; very little of the bill talks about privacy, and most of the rules around that are part of the HHS Privacy Rule.

              To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to improve portability and continuity of health insurance coverage in the group and individual markets, to combat waste, fraud, and abuse in health insurance and health care delivery, to promote the use of medical savings accounts, to improve access to long-term care services and coverage, to simplify the administration of health insurance, and for other purposes.

        • dekhn 44 minutes ago
          That's not really correct. It was designed for portability- the ability to move data between health care providers.

          (I work in healthcare-adjacent and have met with many lawyers and had to explain them all about "HIPAA compliance"; my comment was not made from ignorance, but practical experience based on learning about how the law is used. There is a privacy rule in it, but that was not the real intent of the law. The intent was to make it easy to keep your health care when you moved between jobs.)

  • shevy-java 1 hour ago
    The US citizens will have to fight down those corporate overlords. It is now really just shameful how they leech off of the common man (and common woman). People in democracies outside of the USA shake their head in sadness now. Even Canada is doing better here - don't tell anyone the crazy orange king, for he may begin to potty-mouth and threaten them with invasion again.
    • aksss 33 minutes ago
      corporate overlords? These are the state governments selling your data. The call is coming from inside the house. The sooner we realize that government is comprised of the same slithering slime of human greed and laziness, the more realistic discussions we can have.
  • mistrial9 52 minutes ago
    anecdata - in Berkeley CA, in the late 2010s, two individuals showed up to be in the fast-paced AD scene. One was from a former Soviet Union country, who spoke English pretty well .. and the other a woman from Columbia .. to say that both of these two were "aggressive" is an understatement. He spoke English, she was in charge of "security" .. after a very few meetups, they both formed a company for "Ad tech for Hospitals" .. it was "heavy security" they said, and therefore did not discuss any details in public. They very obviously would do "aggressive" actions to get into the business, defeat competitors, and satisfy ..clients? Who were they satisfying with the cultural norms, constantly aggressive stance, move fast and break things approach? Every single person involved had the motivation of Big Money, Now.
    • oarla 46 minutes ago
      Relevance?