Apocalypse Early Warning System

(ews.kylemcdonald.net)

98 points | by carlsborg 7 hours ago

15 comments

  • acidburnNSA 3 hours ago
    I made something like this in like 2007 called Apocalypse Feed. It took in a few factors and aggregated them into a 0-to-100 number that updated and published over RSS. First it pinged debian mirrors around the world and made a map based on mirror city's lat/long: green for online, red for offline. If there was a cluster of red, that part of the world was considered gone. Then it checked space weather data and nearest asteroid, increasing the value if it was looking bad. It scraped news headlines looking for key words like zombie, pandemic, virus, war, bomb, etc. These fed into a pie graph showing what "type" of apocalypse was most likely at any given time.

    It was all fun and games until my VPS host banned me for pinging too many people every few mins.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20110516084503/http://www.apocal...

  • inatreecrown2 8 minutes ago
    Why are almost all planes in the US? Is this a data problem or are only the US rich enough to fly private jets?
  • Rygian 4 hours ago
    I'll ask the obvious: wouldn't the aircraft just take to the skies directly, without bothering with the formality of setting their transponder, if they were knowingly escaping an apocalypse scenario?
    • PeterisP 2 hours ago
      AFAIK the transponder kind of turns itself on when powering on the plane, you'd have to explicitly disable it but then you'd have weird discussions with the airport tower guiding you to a free timeslot on the runway which would just delay your takeoff, since ignoring the airport tower is a good way to not get off the ground at all because you'll accidentally be hit by some other plane.
      • pc86 1 hour ago
        99.99% of airports do not have "timeslots on the runway." Most airports in the US have no tower whatsoever.
    • patmcc 2 hours ago
      If they have 5 minutes, sure. If they have 5 hours, they'll follow procedure.
    • esseph 4 hours ago
      Don't want to get shot down?
      • tgrowazay 2 hours ago
        You won’t get shot down for merely taking off without a transponder.

        Worst case scenario a fighter jet will be scrambled to investigate.

        But in apocalypse scenario, chances are the fighter jets will be busy with tasks other than enforcing FAA rules.

        • esseph 1 hour ago
          > But in apocalypse scenario, chances are the fighter jets will be busy with tasks other than enforcing FAA rules.

          Depending on the type of event, they very well could be scrambling to shoot down unidentified aircraft.

          Fog of war sucks, and friendly fire still happens often.

    • wat10000 3 hours ago
      Colliding with other planes is going to impede your escape plan, so it would still be a good idea to turn the thing on. No further action needs to be taken for the ADS-B output to be correct, it works once it's powered on.
    • walrus01 3 hours ago
      In a theoretical scenario of the billionaire class of the world having some kind of "advance warning" of the apocalypse, they'd be taking to the air in the hours or several days prior to a total disaster happening. Meaning this would be done while the local governments were ostensibly still functioning, in which case you can't just have your private jet depart without active ADS-B and in-the-clear voice traffic for ground, and air traffic control coordination.

      If governments and airspace control have already collapsed, post tense, then of course anything goes.

  • decker 4 hours ago
    Fun idea of a metric, but if I'm reading this correctly, we get roughly one apocalypse warning per year?

    > Level 5 is calibrated so only the highest daily peak in the trailing year should exceed it.

    • roxolotl 2 hours ago
      Yeah came here to say the same thing. While last year might have been a bit chaotic, this as well, I highly doubt we were as close as it is possible to come to nuclear apocalypse without getting one. This seems like a completely useless metric.
  • kmoser 2 hours ago
    Pinging weather stations should be a good indicator. If you notice a bunch of contiguous ones no longer responding, or sending back huge temperature readings, there's a good chance a nuclear apocalypse is imminent. (Just ignore the few statistical outliers: https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/23/europe/france-weather-sensor-...)
    • chromacity 2 hours ago
      > there's a good chance a nuclear apocalypse is imminent.

      Or that an excavator took out some fiber.

      • voxadam 1 hour ago
        For network engineers is there really any difference between an excavator taking out your network and an actual apocalypse?
  • palmotea 2 hours ago
    > In the event of an imminent nuclear apocalypse, we suspect that many people who have access to private jets will immediately take to the skies and escape city centers.

    1. I think the logic behind this particular concept flawed. What's the flight time for an ICBM? 20 minutes if from Russia, and less than that from a submarine? I don't think a billionaire could get to his jet in time, unless he lives on an airstrip like John Travolta. Some might get some early notice if their country planned a first strike (but I doubt it, as loose-lips like that would probably give the enemy notice, too).

    2. I think if nuclear war is actually immanent, your best bet of an early warning is an EAS National/Presidential alert (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Alert_System), because I'd hope people with access to actual early-warning sensors would cause one to be sent (while they're getting ready for a second-strike attack). But, given the shambolic nature of post-Cold War government, that could be a foolish hope.

    The more effective thing is probably something scanning a news feeds for world events that indicate a major crisis progressing up the escalation ladder. Stuff like conflicts involving nuclear powers, threats of nuclear weapon use, reports of unusual activity of emergency command and control aircraft (like going on alert), use of tactical nuclear weapons, etc.

    • tuatoru 2 hours ago
      Nuclear war is immanent to our civilisation and human nature, but perhaps not imminent.
    • nolroz 2 hours ago
      I mean - just take a look at all this speculative trading action around the Iran war. Trump is all about "his friends" presumably that means that many of them could get a heads up.
      • palmotea 2 hours ago
        If you're talking about nuclear war, I don't think you could expect Polymarket to pay out in the aftermath. So anyone betting on one would be pretty dumb.
        • lazyasciiart 2 hours ago
          But betting against one could pay off?
  • jandrewrogers 3 hours ago
    This has the same issue as many other types of event warning systems based on noisy, incomplete data.

    The latency of constructing a semi-reliable warning signal from the data sources described significantly exceeds the latency of event onset. You can modify the algorithms to reduce latency but then the false positive rate skyrockets. Not what you want for an "apocalypse" early warning system.

    To mitigate this you need more data from more diverse sources and lower latency feeds.

    • PorterBHall 3 hours ago
      Is it the end of the world or just Davos?
    • knownjorbist 2 hours ago
      I'd like to see this site the week of the Superbowl.
  • jjwiseman 1 hour ago
    This is more useful than every other "monitoring the situation" dashboard I've seen.
  • beej71 4 hours ago
    There was a Sci-Fi book I read where this was a service provided to rich people. Basically you signed up for it, and you'd get a text when everything was about to go down. Time to drop everything and fly to your bunker.
    • andrewla 3 hours ago
      This seems like an area rife for a scam, like hurricane insurance or earthquake insurance. You pocket the money, and when disaster strikes, who is going to sue you when you do nothing? If there was a real bunker-worthy event then all your insurees have been devoured by zombies or dissolved by radioactive strings or whatever.
      • aorloff 3 hours ago
        On Polymarket, $60m has been wagered on "Will Jesus return before 2027"

        https://polymarket.com/event/will-jesus-christ-return-before...

        • jfengel 59 minutes ago
          Yeah, but Jesus is gonna place a big bet on himself just before he returns.
        • 2ndorderthought 3 hours ago
          I'll definitely put money on that one around December for a quick return. Thanks for the tip
          • essefjo 1 hour ago
            Why wait till December? Aren't there higher returns the earlier you put money?
            • jfengel 56 minutes ago
              Is it profitable? Current price for No is $.96. Making 4% in 8 months is better than most sure bets but less than the stock market on average.
              • ajross 7 minutes ago
                Stock market's historical average is actually just about 4%/year after inflation. So it does beat it (absent fees), but just barely.
    • ashleyn 3 hours ago
      This is essentially the premise to Fallout, or at least the leadup to it.
      • jshier 2 hours ago
        Also Paradise on Hulu, or at least the setup there as well.
  • bottlepalm 3 hours ago
    Do you think that rich people are on some sort of private 'end of the world' mailing list?
    • gyomu 3 hours ago
      No, but they have spent tens of millions of dollars on a go bag —> helicopter to private jet -> bunker in New Zealand preplanned route and you haven’t.
      • bottlepalm 29 minutes ago
        I don't care. And I guarantee you most wealthy people don't care either. A few eccentric wealthy people do and you think r/preppers is filled with the elite - it's not.

        Reminds me this this post from Reddit the other day from someone who believes AI is a conspiracy perpetuated by the rich people: https://www.reddit.com/r/artificial/comments/1syeppa/am_i_ov...

      • lostlogin 3 hours ago
        Good luck to them. Having Luxon or Peter crawl up their arse on arrival will have them wishing for a fiery death.
      • neilv 3 hours ago
        Good luck to the billionaires in a real collapse scenario, when their security and support staff can decide that the billionaires are counterproductive, and vote them out of the survival bunkers.
        • EdwardDiego 2 hours ago
          You didn't include the locals, we're not huge fans of being considered a liferaft by people who have actively worked to make the world worse. And we have a can do spirit (and earthmoving equipment...)
          • ares623 6 minutes ago
            I suggest calling one of these bunkers Khazad Dum.
        • ares623 5 minutes ago
          A few months of some narrow strait of water in the other side of the world being closed off and New Zealand is about to collapse. And these billionaires think they can just sit back and relax in their bunkers here in an apocalypse scenario?
        • CamperBob2 45 minutes ago
          A few moments' thought will convince just about anyone that their best chances of survival will come from allying themselves with a strong, resource-rich leader, namely the one they already work for.

          Immediately turning on such a leader would be a bad move, because you'd then have to fight all the other traitors for your share of the loot.

        • user2722 2 hours ago
          You clearly haven't read articles where they said they were pondering all their employees in those bunkers to have explosives in their neck...
    • knownjorbist 1 hour ago
      I think news of such an impeding scenario would probably percolate through their circles first, before the wider media.
    • petercooper 3 hours ago
      Bloomberg Terminal chat?
  • NunoSempere 4 hours ago
    I have something somewhat similar at <https://blog.sentinel-team.org/>, tracking events that could kill over a million people.
  • jongjong 1 hour ago
    But what if they shut down the entire tracking system just before?
  • gambiting 3 hours ago
    >>we suspect that many people who have access to private jets will immediately take to the skies and escape city centers

    Why would that be true? There would never be enough warning to get to the airport and take off anywhere, even if everything else was still working perfectly.

  • singpolyma3 3 hours ago
    in case of Apocalypse you think they're all filing flight plans?
    • prerok 3 hours ago
      If it's early enough, they would have to. And in case it's a false positive, they would be liable.

      All this to say, I actually find the thing hillarious, though. If there's an actual apocalypse a plane will not save you.