15 comments

  • k310 1 hour ago
    Nabbing the little guy for show, very much like Henry Hill taking one for Paulie and the gang. The same gang that robbed the Lufthansa vault at JFK Airport, stealing six million dollars in cash and jewelry.

    When the history of this administration is written, provided that history itself has not been completely rewritten a la "1984," Goodfellas will be required reading/watching.

    And the highly profitable daily mood-induced oil price bets will just be forgotten.

    Wilhoit's Law:

    Wilhoit's law.

    “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

    https://pylimitics.net/wilhoits-law/

    • jandrewrogers 2 minutes ago
      > nabbing the little guy

      Politics aside, he isn't a "little guy". He apparently holds the rank of master sergeant. That's a senior battalion-level role and somewhat political.

      This isn't some random E-4 getting dragged.

    • nickburns 47 minutes ago
      They don't call 'em cannon fodder for nothin'!
    • gabagool 36 minutes ago
      Per Goodfellas, "Paulie and the gang" ended up in jail while Henry Hill received witness protection. So, it wasn't just for show
    • busterarm 34 minutes ago
      Authority-wise, a MSG in the army isn't exactly a little guy either. That's quite a senior role. In their battalion they likely head either operations, intelligence or supply.

      This isn't joe schlub making side bets here. This is a senior late-career enlisted in an extremely sensitive position violating all of their trust and authority to cash out big.

    • bluegatty 12 minutes ago
      Everything about this statement is completely wrong.

      False, conspiratorial, dogmatic, juvenile.

      The arrest and indictment of someone for betting on Polymarket - which has not yet been tested in court - is going to give huge attention and precedence to the likely illegal activities of some of Polymarket shenanigans coming out of the white house.

    • RhysU 45 minutes ago
      Wilholt's essay is a nice one. But it amounts to defining the opposition in a way that's easy to tear apart followed by tearing it apart. It's a cute trick but isn't much of a basis for serious discussion.

      Watch: Wilholt's essay consists of exactly and only one indefensible, rhetorical sleight of hand. Consequently, no one can honestly defend it. Attempts to do so are undeserving of serious scrutiny.

      After tearing down a strawman, he claims high ground:

      > The law cannot protect anyone unless it binds everyone; and it cannot bind anyone unless it protects everyone.

      But you'll get a fair bit of support for Wilholt's so-called anti-conservative principle from a fair number of prominent conservative thinkers.

      • zaptheimpaler 38 minutes ago
        The modern US conservative party really does seem to believe only in that one principle and nothing else. They will pardon actual sex traffickers like Andrew Tate and worse as long as they're on their side. They will defend any action at all by Trump, no matter how vile or illegal or stupid or wrong. It's not a sleight of hand if its true.
        • RhysU 30 minutes ago
          Go read a few months worth of the National Review.

          Many prominent conservative thinkers are not particularly big fans of Trump. They like portions of his initiatives and policies but not him as a standard bearer, because he does dumb, ill-principled stuff at odds with conservatism.

          Peggy Noonan of the WSJ can't write two sentences without letting you know how much she disdains Trump, e.g.

          • zaptheimpaler 18 minutes ago
            I guess I should clarify it to the modern US conservative party. I know there are a few dissenters even there, but 95% of them vote the way he wants and of course we could have impeached Trump and many cabinet officials long ago if they voted that way. They unquestionably enable this administration. I think its fair to say they represent the conservatives broadly, certainly they are the people the nations conservative citizens elected and continue to support.
    • paulpauper 1 hour ago
      I made a similar argument and was downvoted. Yeah, the well-connected pay a fine when caught. This guy's mistake was not knowing he did not belong to that club. He amounted to no more than a fall guy.
  • sigmar 12 minutes ago
    Since this is relevant to many HN comments, copy-pasted the charges from the pdf indictment in the linked page:

    Count 1 - Unlawful Use of Confidential Government Information for Personal Gain

    Count 2 - Theft of Nonpublic Government Information

    Count 3 - Commodities Fraud

    Count 4 - Wire Fraud

    Count 5 - Engaging in a Monetary Transaction in Property Derived from Specified Unlawful Activity

  • AngryData 15 minutes ago
    Perfectly fine for the rich and powerful, but don't you average citizen dare do anything like it! The US law and justice system is a complete joke.
    • paulddraper 7 minutes ago
      The Pelosi’s are the great prediction market players to have ever lived.
      • Hnrobert42 1 minute ago
        How do you know which accounts are theirs?
  • jh00ker 51 minutes ago
    How many people in congress made the exact same bet on the exact same information, and for them it's "legal?"
    • wmf 12 minutes ago
      None, because Congress wasn't informed of the Maduro raid until afterwards?
    • cosmicgadget 26 minutes ago
      It is legal and until we vote for people who will outlaw it we only have ourselves to blame.
    • snypher 41 minutes ago
      “Any clearance holders thinking of cashing in their access and knowledge for personal gain will be held accountable”

      Yeah right.

  • mrtksn 18 minutes ago
    Are prediction markets regulated? Is this about breaking the laws regarding prediction markets or is this about leaking classified information? I skimmed but not sure still.

    Someone more cynical can say that this is about protecting Thiel’s investment(if people think it’s rigged may stop playing) or making sure that only big G makes money with classified information.

    • garciasn 15 minutes ago
      From the article:

      unlawful use of confidential government information for personal gain, theft of nonpublic government information, commodities fraud, wire fraud, and making an unlawful monetary transaction.

      • mrtksn 12 minutes ago
        So what law is broken exactly? Will an engineer with classified information on F-35 use that for fixing his car be also prosecuted? I guess no, so is this about leaking the Maduro operation?

        Insider trading and outcome manipulation seems to be the norm on unregulated markets anyway. Whats the crime?

        • mlazos 3 minutes ago
          By the letter of the law the guy fixing his car should be prosecuted, but like nobody is going to know and it’s not going to happen. In this case it’s pretty obvious the law was broken.
  • gnabgib 1 hour ago
    CNN (9 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47882645

    ABCnews (5 points, a comment from you) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47882789

    justice.gov (1 point, you've duped here) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47883034

  • chatmasta 34 minutes ago
    I thought the names in the opening were the people being charged. Then I realized they were the prosecutors.
  • HoldOnAMinute 11 minutes ago
    Everyone's a grifter these days.
  • TZubiri 1 hour ago
    Nice. I'm against polymarket allowing bets on war precisely because of this. But I think we can all agree that perpetrators hold more liability than the platforms, they are the true cuplrits of warcrimes/treason.
  • warlog 58 minutes ago
    They should run for Congress
  • sandworm101 47 minutes ago
    What was his rank? What was his job? What was his clearance? How did he have access?

    The canadians have the info. He was special forces. He was enlisted (not an officer). He was involved, or at least privy to, the planning of the Venezuela thing.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/11814801/maduro-capture-polymarke...

  • paulpauper 1 hour ago
    Feds waited no time to drop the indictment and make arrest. 3 months is lightning fast for a white collar crime. Wall St. ppl who commit insider trading pay a fine and admit no wrongdoing, discouraging the profits, and only after many years and trades have passed. Goes to show how elites play by a different set of rules. His mistake was not knowing he was not in that club. Have no idea why this was downvoted. I see so many other people who make this argument about privileged elites and always get upvoted.
    • joe_mamba 1 hour ago
      > Goes to show how elites play by a different set of rules.

      Epstein said the same, and yet nobody went out to protest.

  • polski-g 1 hour ago
    How is this illegal? Polymarket isn't a US-regulated market.
    • junar 1 hour ago
      From the indictment, he's being charged with the following:

      * Unlawful Use of Confidential Government Information for Personal Gain

      * Theft of Nonpublic Government Information

      * Commodities Fraud

      * Wire Fraud

      * Engaging in a Monetary Transaction in Property Derived from Specified Unlawful Activity

      https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/media/1437781/dl

      • paulpauper 59 minutes ago
        So had this not involved presumed military secrets, it would have been legal? So it was the classified info that made it a crime, and then the insider trading aspect was later tacked on? It's crazy how the government adds so many charges. This guy is screwed.
        • gdulli 36 minutes ago
          That's part of the Chesterton's Fence nature of why these markets are bad. We know insider trading is a bad thing for the stock market, so it's policed. These markets, being a post-regulation internet free for all, aren't.
    • gpm 1 hour ago
      It's rather obviously illegal to leak classified intel by taking public actions based off of it... that's practically the meaning of the word "classified".
      • georgemcbay 48 minutes ago
        It is illegal to leak classified intel if you're just an average person.

        If you're the Trump hand-picked Secretary of the War Department then it is not illegal and will never be punished.

        Always remember which tier of justice you are on prior to committing a crime!

    • ivewonyoung 23 minutes ago
      Polymarket isn't being accused or charged with wrongdoing.
      • kevin_thibedeau 12 minutes ago
        They directed the right size bri...consulting fee to Jr.