11 comments

  • beeforpork 1 hour ago
    And dont you pronounce that 'x' as 'ks'! It's pronounced as 'sh'! Just like in 'xocolatl'.
    • prmoustache 4 minutes ago
      Well most non nahuatl speaking mexicans simply call them by the spanish traduction, ajolote.
    • Petersipoi 1 hour ago
      I have a feeling you're fighting a losing battle here
      • embedding-shape 31 minutes ago
        Prenounciation and correcting other's spelling is always a losing battle, probably for everyone involved.
      • brunoborges 1 hour ago
        Every scientific battle is worth fighting for!
        • psychoslave 1 hour ago
          Scientific study of languages generally admits that language drift eventually.
        • whyenot 51 minutes ago
          What is scientific about this pronunciation? Axolotl is not the scientfic name (its Ambystoma mexicanum), and usually the goal with pronouncing scientific names is for the listener to be able to spell the name after hearing it (at least for botany, which is what I am familiar with).
    • pants2 39 minutes ago
      And "valet" is supposed to rhyme with "ballot" not "ballet" but you'll still sound like an idiot if you say "take your car to the val-it"
    • bananzamba 39 minutes ago
      Or like Meshico
    • mc32 1 hour ago
      That’s like telling the Japanese that “cutlet” is not pronounced “katsu.” It ain’t gonna change. Or even having southerners pronounce squirrel with two sellable [autocorrect : syllables] Good luck with that!
      • anticorporate 20 minutes ago
        > two sellable

        I'm a southerner and we generally have squirrels in plentiful quantities, so it's never occurred to me to sell them. /s

    • jasonmp85 10 minutes ago
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    • fluoridation 1 hour ago
      "Shocolate"? Who says it like that?
      • patall 1 hour ago
        People speaking languages other than English.
        • fluoridation 1 hour ago
          We're speaking English, so why even entertain the idea of pronouncing "axolotl" differently, in that case? The Japanese say "en", but that doesn't seem to inspire anyone else not to say "yen".
        • bromuro 1 hour ago
          Not really - it is [t͡ʃ] (“ch”) not [ʃ] (“sh”).
      • jkestner 1 hour ago
        Any self-respecting Aztecophile. They're also the cause of startup names dropping a vowl. Insufferable.
  • janalsncm 2 hours ago
    Indeed, most axolotls in Wales are Welsh axolotls.

    But I do wonder how many do live in Wales. If it’s not just an abandoned pet that would be really interesting.

    • codezero 2 hours ago
      From the article it doesn't appear they've ever been found alive in the wild anywhere but their natural habitat. This was likely a remarkable chance happening where an owner released one and she found it within close succession or else it likely would have died very quickly.

      If there is a wild population, that would be an even more amazing story.

      • OJFord 1 hour ago
        I did think it was strange they didn't spell that out though. Maybe they thought 'Mexican' makes it clear, but it reads too easily like a species name.
    • culi 51 minutes ago
      It is absolutely an abandoned pet. They cannot survive outside the tropics. Hell, they can't even survive outside the 2 lakes in Mexico City that they're hyperadapted to

      There are less than 1,000 of them in the wild. Trust me if it was possible to establish a population somewhere else outside of captivity, scientists and conservationists would already be on it

      • prmoustache 2 minutes ago
        Examples in the wild are - bar the possibility of an albino example - all dark skinned. The pink/light skinned ones are the results of mutations and ultimately selective breeding in the pet population.
  • mikestew 2 hours ago
    Sooo, if they are/were popular as pets, how come there's less than 1000 left worldwide? Those two facts don't reconcile for me.
    • culi 2 hours ago
      1000 wild ones. There's much more in captivity than in the wild.

      They evolved to be quite dependent on the unique agricultural islands in the Valley of Mexico called Chinampas. These were drained by the colonizers. Which is why Mexico City is now facing a severe water crisis and also why these creatures are endangered

      • mikestew 2 hours ago
        Thanks, that's the clarification I was not getting from TFA.
      • ZeWaka 1 hour ago
        Also why the whole region has so many sinkhole and similar drainage problems - it's literally built on a lake.
        • culi 58 minutes ago
          Yup. A lake that used to fuel the single most productive agricultural system humans have ever practiced. It's sad but there is a strong indigenous movement to bring them back. The axolotl actually became a major symbol of indigenous resistance because of this movement
          • trhway 41 minutes ago
            How it was (a great interactive 3d reconstruction)

            https://tenochtitlan.thomaskole.nl/

            • culi 21 minutes ago
              This is awesome, thanks for sharing.

              Andrew Wilson, who works with the United Nations World Food Program, also made an in-depth minidoc on them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86gyW0vUmVs

            • palata 5 minutes ago
              Wow this is amazing. Thank you!
              • trhway 4 minutes ago
                Thanks to the author and HN - it was posted here sometime ago, and being that impressive it naturally stuck in my memory like i'm sure now it will in yours :)
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    • bombcar 2 hours ago
      "in the wild" might be doing a lot of heavy lifting, or it may be based on subspecies or similar.

      I don't really expect to find endangered species at the local pet store.

      • JaggedNZ 2 hours ago
        I have three axolotl's in the next room, there are no subspecies to my knowledge, except maybe for some cross breeding with Salamanders in the US.

        They are common in scientific research as they have amazing regenerative abilities; they will often mistakenly bite each other's legs off as juveniles (they are not the smartest creatures) and then grow them back in a few weeks, good as new. They made it into the exotic pet trade and now they are quite common in captivity, but now critically endangered in the wild. There are attempts to breed and repopulate them, with some limited success.

        Another interesting thing, in many countries and states it is legal to keep an axolotl and illegal to keep a Salamander.

        They are actually fairly easy to keep in my experience, with two caveats. 1) you need to be able to keep the water below 24 Deg C, this means spending some money on chillers even in sub-tropical countries. 2) If you have a pair in the same tank (regardless of sexing) you need to be prepared to cull the eggs! (freeze them) Prices here went from ~$50NZ each down to around $10-15 each due to the Minecraft craze.

        • prmoustache 9 minutes ago
          my understanding is that thr light skinned / pink variants are the results of mutation and selective breeding - and obviously racism, light skinned being considered more cute - in the pet population and almost all examples in the wild are dark skinned.
        • Ifkaluva 1 hour ago
          Why are salamanders illegal?
          • mikestew 1 hour ago
            They're either an invasive species, and therefore should not be introduced to the area (and you know that many pets will be introduced once the novelty wears off). Or they're native to the area, and should be left alone because they're endangered or otherwise threatened.

            Those are just two reasons, but I'd bet they cover a lot of cases.

          • bombcar 1 hour ago
            Because they burst into flame! 90% of wizard dwelling fires are caused by salamanders!

            (in reality probably the law banning them as pets to protect them didn't include axolotls because the legislature didn't know they existed)

          • JaggedNZ 1 hour ago
            Often Axolotls have been "grandfathered" into the legal exotic pet trade, and salamanders have not and they tend to be considered separate species, even though biologically it's a very blurry line. Also, it often happens in areas where there is a local wild salamander population that is being protected from poaching.
          • bryanlarsen 1 hour ago
            You likely don't have wild axolotls nearby so if a pet escapes it'll just die and not affect the ecosystem. OTOH, an escaped salamander might thrive and displace wild salamanders and disrupt the ecosystem. Or carry a disease, or ...
          • dmonitor 1 hour ago
            most places ban exotic pets that are able to survive in the local climate to prevent invasive species from outcompeting the local feral cat population.
      • fineIllregister 1 hour ago
        It's a similar story for Venus fly trap plants. It has a tiny habitat so it's exotic. They're easy to breed so it's cheap to start selling them. But their limited habitat is being destroyed, so they are endangered and also on the clearance rack at the garden store.
      • elzbardico 2 hours ago
        Why not. We found plenty of endagered species at zoos. They are endangered not only as a function of the number of species, but due to their vanishing environments.
    • liveoneggs 2 hours ago
      the pet ones are almostly entirely captive bred so they are pretty distinct by now
  • codezero 3 hours ago
    It amazes me she chanced upon it at the right time and even knew exactly what it was.
    • culi 2 hours ago
      Axolotl's have become a global icon. First as an anti-colonial protest symbol for indigenous peoples. But now it's even a creature in Minecraft

      Edit: oh the article says as much

      > Axolotls as pets have seen a surge in popularity in recent years after they were introduced to video games such as Minecraft and Roblox.

      Also, the child seems quite familiar with the wildlife

      > She said Evie was "always finding things" like newts and bugs, but said the axolotl discovery was a surprise.

      What's even funnier is the mother's reaction who apparently didn't believe axolotl's were real

      > "I've been telling Evie all this time that those creatures she watches on YouTube, they're not real.

      • codezero 2 hours ago
        Yeah, I didn't want to spoil the article with my comment, it was a good read, but it did immediately make sense why they were so popular now. I've met multiple people in passing who own Axolotl. I used to think I was super special that I met a guy who owned one, and I assumed it was because he was a famous neuroscientist, and had some special permission, but now they're relatively common as pets (to a degree).
      • kasey_junk 2 hours ago
        I stopped trying to correct my kid about wildlife facts when he turned 5…
      • MBCook 1 hour ago
        > Experts have warned axolotls should never be bought on impulse as they can "very challenging" to look after.

        > This is because they have the same environmental, dietary and behavioural needs in captivity as they do in the wild.

        I thought this was just odd. Don’t most animals that aren’t heavily domesticated like that? I mean that’s true of most all pet fish, for example.

        • JaggedNZ 1 hour ago
          Unfortunately, the whole Minecraft thing caused a lot of people to buy them with little understanding of proper care, so I suspect there's some "that's cool but please don't rush in unprepared" in the hard to keep message. There are also some misconceptions around water quality requirements, they really don't like chemical pollutants, but I have no issues with local municipal water, other areas could have issues and require RO water, etc. but there are plenty of tropical fish keepers in this same situation.

          And then there's the water temp thing, that caught me off-guard and I was using frozen water bottles for a few weeks until my chiller arrived, if the tank had been located in a different part of the house it might have been required.

        • macintux 1 hour ago
          From another comment here: "you need to be able to keep the water below 24 Deg C, this means spending some money on chillers even in sub-tropical countries"

          I think people anticipate needing heaters for certain types of fish, but I'd never have expected to buy a cooling unit for aquatic life.

          • quickthrowman 1 hour ago
            Yeah, adding in a chiller makes things way more complicated than just adding a resistive heater. A decent looking chiller for an aquarium is ~$1,000, plus you need temp sensors and control wiring to maintain the setpoint properly, and then you need to pray the electricity doesn’t go out. A 1/3rd HP chiller draws around 1kW including the circ pump
            • fragmede 1 hour ago
              An aquarium backup battery for a simple pump is like $50 for something that'll last a few hours of outage, but for a chiller with that kind of draw, it's a bit more expensive.
      • psychoslave 1 hour ago
        First time I learnt about it was while reading The Book of Barely Imagined Beings. Fantastic book.
  • poolnoodle 2 hours ago
    Why not leave it in the wild? Now the poor thing has to stare at the inside of a bucket for the rest of its life.
    • loloquwowndueo 2 hours ago
      Not its natural habitat - it would probably die in winter

      Axolotls are somewhat popular as pets so I’m thinking someone got rid of theirs by tossing it in the river and the girl just happened to find it afterwards.

      Far more plausible explanation than “found in the wild 9000km and an ocean away from its place of origin”

      • reactordev 2 hours ago
        They freeze and thaw like Iguanas do in Florida. They can’t survive prolonged cold temperatures but when it does get to 15c they stop moving.
        • illwrks 2 hours ago
          I wonder if that's why she had caught it so easily, not many people are visiting the UK for it's sunny climate.
    • culi 48 minutes ago
      People are telling you it would die in the winter but the truth is it would die in a week. This pet was surely abandoned in the past 48 hours and that's why this is so rare.

      They are hyper adapted to the water cycles, nutrient profile, and pH levels of the Xochimilco lake system in Mexico city and were taken care of by indigenous people for thousands of years. They have never survived anywhere outside of these lakes

    • WJW 1 hour ago
      1. The article already mentions the parents of the girl who caught it are looking into how to best keep an axolotl and a bigger tank has already arrived.

      2. Axolotls can't survive in a Welsh climate. This creature will live much longer as a pet than it would in the wild.

    • oidar 2 hours ago
      It's against the law for it to be in the wild. And the temperature range in which it can survive is quite narrow, it would probably die sometime this year if left alone.
    • neuralkoi 2 hours ago
      As mentioned in the article, this was almost certainly someone's pet and dumped in the river when they couldn't take care of it anymore. Axolotls are endemic to Mexico.
    • bastardoperator 1 hour ago
      I suspect someone dumped their pet. Considering its from Mexico I also suspect it prefers a warmer water/climate?
    • OJFord 1 hour ago
      Because Wales is not its wild
  • fortran77 2 hours ago
    Why did she name him Dippy and not a proper Welsh name like "Cadwaladr" or "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?"
    • codezero 2 hours ago
      I think her family was visiting Wales, rather than being natives :)
      • renewiltord 1 hour ago
        The English have colonized Wales for a long time. They don't even do land acknowledgements. Racism and imperialism is rampant in the old world unlike in the US.
        • wizzwizz4 43 minutes ago
          Wales is a lot smaller than the continental United States. What do you expect them to say? "Cardiff is part of Wales, unceded territory of the Welsh"? That would be entirely performative. If you feel strongly about this topic, you ought to demand more meaningful steps, such as the use of Welsh language place names.
          • renewiltord 30 minutes ago
            I just think they should acknowledge the native people whose land it is. It’s not performative unless you’re a MAGA fascist. It’s just considerate.
            • wizzwizz4 16 minutes ago
              What form would such an acknowledgement take?
    • tonyarkles 1 hour ago
      "siliogogogoch" for short :)
  • shevy-java 1 hour ago
    Imagine if it were the other way around:

    Mexican axolotl, 10, finds rare Girl under Welsh bridge.

  • standwportugul 1 hour ago
    The BBC paywall for US users is really a bummer
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  • nom 2 hours ago
    This is so unlikely to happen. There is a good chance that they are not as rare as we currently think, at least in that particular area.
    • culi 2 hours ago
      They are unique to like 2 lakes in Mexico. This is someone's pet that they dumped there. It would not have survived more than a week in Wales had it not been found.
      • prmoustache 7 minutes ago
        There were more than 2 lakes but the specy is almost extinct so these areas are where you can still find some.
        • culi 3 minutes ago
          Well it's native to the Xochimilco "lake system". Sometimes its hard to say what's a different lake or not but it's the same system of lakes. They also used to be in Lake Chalco which at certain times of the year could connect into the same lake as Xochimilco. Regardless, it's always been a tiny range
    • codezero 2 hours ago
      I think it likely speaks to how much more common they are as exotic pets than they have been in the past. That she found it before it died is surprising, and the longer I think about this story the longer I wonder if they just bought it as a pet and the river discovery was a gag for online clout.
    • kreyenborgi 2 hours ago
      One in a million chances happen nine times out of ten.

      Especially with 8 billion humans wandering around.