Postgres with Builtin File Systems

(db9.ai)

52 points | by ngaut 8 hours ago

6 comments

  • anorak27 4 minutes ago
    You can do the same and a bit more with sqlite through agentfs

    https://github.com/tursodatabase/agentfs

  • jacques_chester 5 hours ago
    > db9 is a PostgreSQL-compatible distributed SQL database. Your data is stored in a distributed TiKV cluster, and each database (tenant) gets its own isolated keyspace. [0]

    I feel like the lede is a bit buried here, bordering on deceptive.

    That or the architecture doc is wrong. Both plausible I guess, in this day and age.

    [0] https://db9.ai/docs/sql

    • TheTaytay 1 hour ago
      Doltgres actually is a true versioned Postgres under the hood (or MySql).

      This sounds really interesting, and I like the ease with which I could spin something up here and get embeddings for sure! But I would think the actual runtime perf of this would be “fine” for some text, but nowhere near Postgres level for all sorts of other stuff, right?

      I am a huge fan of Postgres as a database, and of SQL, etc. but I don’t think I understand the benefit of using Postgres’ wire format here since it’s not Postgres behind the scenes. I guess that lets you use psql as the client?

    • c4pt0r 5 hours ago
      Hello, the developer of db9 here. You’re right, that section is indeed a bit too brief. We will add more architecture documentation later. What I wanted to convey is that, unlike a standard PostgreSQL, db9 is more like a pg SQL-compatible layer built on top of a large distributed KV store. I also shared a brief introduction in this tweet, which might help clarify things. https://x.com/dxhuang/status/2032016443114733744
      • jacques_chester 1 hour ago
        "Compatible" isn't mentioned on the homepage, though, despite multiple opportunities to do so -- "Create, manage and query serverless PostgreSQL", "Run history, status, and metadata live in Postgres", "Full Postgres. Fully typed.".

        This lack of detail may cause folks to form the incorrect impression that this is PostgreSQL, or a fork of it, or some module or plugin for it. Folks will be upset to learn that they were misinformed. Some will assign deception as the cause, whether that is true or not.

        I think your interests would be best served by trying to make that distinction clear and prominently so. So for example "A PostgreSQL-compatible, fully serverless database", or similar.

        I hope I have explained better.

      • esafak 4 hours ago
        If you're using TiKV why not use TiDB too, which is MySQL compatible?
        • nullpoint420 3 hours ago
          Wonder if that’s what it is, with a few changes to make it postgres wire compatible
  • hintymad 5 hours ago
    I think what’s really interesting is that the first version of db9.ai is done by a single person by commanding AI. There must be tons of invaluable lessons learned.
    • gfygfy 4 hours ago
      AI is an instant turnoff and should be banned from HN. Unfortunately it is artificially promoted because of @sama despite not only providing no value but also making the world worse.
    • c4pt0r 4 hours ago
      yes, it’s quite a journey
  • clark1013 3 hours ago
    I like the idea of combining the file system and the database. It's really useful when people don’t want to manage files and structured data separately.
  • nullpoint420 3 hours ago
    The carousel overflows on mobile, extending past the screen
    • shixinhb 2 hours ago
      Fixed by our agent. Thank you!
  • agreezy 3 hours ago
    I've only worked with MySQL, Sqlite up until this year. Started on Postgres since January and I'm seeing how flexible it is.