PgAdmin 4 9.13 with AI Assistant Panel

(pgadmin.org)

82 points | by __natty__ 10 hours ago

13 comments

  • david_iqlabs 16 minutes ago
    The interesting challenge with AI assistants inside technical tools is grounding the responses in real system signals. If the model is just interpreting natural language prompts, it tends to produce generic advice. But if the assistant is tied directly to system telemetry or query results, it becomes much more useful.

    In experiments I’ve been running, the pattern that seems to work best is deterministic signals first, then a constrained AI layer that interprets those signals rather than inventing analysis.

  • david_iqlabs 18 minutes ago
    One thing I’ve learned building AI-assisted tooling is that the usefulness depends heavily on how constrained the AI layer is. If the AI is generating suggestions without grounding in deterministic signals from the system, it tends to produce very confident but generic output.

    What ended up working better in my own experiments was system signals,structured scoring, AI narrative on top of the signals.

  • chaz6 7 hours ago
    When I got the update I looked through the settings and there appears to be no way to disable it. I do not want AI anywhere near my database. I only use it for testing/staging at least so I should hopefully not have to worry about it wrecking production.
    • ziml77 7 hours ago
      What's the danger? It can see the schemas to help it generate the queries but it can't run anything on its own. Also you have to give the application credentials to an AI provider for the feature to work. So, you can just not do that.
      • justinclift 22 minutes ago
        > What's the danger?

        Hallucinated ideas about what needs doing, what commands to run, etc.

        So, data that's no longer reliable (ie could be subtly changed), or even outright data loss.

      • adamas 7 hours ago
        There is no need of potential dangers to not want to have non-deterministic features in an application.
    • imjared 7 hours ago
      The docs suggest that you can set the default provider to "None" to disable AI features: https://www.pgadmin.org/docs/pgadmin4/9.13/preferences.html#...
      • zenmac 7 hours ago
        It is nice that they have the default set to "None". However to have this feature in pgAmdin is as distraction from the project.

        If it is just calling API anyway, then I don't want to have this in my db admin tool. It also expose surface area of potential data leakage.

        • bensyverson 7 hours ago
          Worth pointing out that Postgres is perfectly usable without an admin dashboard at all
      • smartbit 7 hours ago
        Note: AI features must be enabled in the server configuration

          LLM_ENABLED = True 
        
        in config.py for these preferences to be available.
        • OptionOfT 5 hours ago
          I did not enable this and yet I got the panel in the UI.
    • lateforwork 5 hours ago
      Did you miss this:

      "This feature requires an AI provider to be configured in Preferences > AI."

      And then you have to supply an API key (see here https://www.pgedge.com/blog/ai-features-in-pgadmin-configura... )

      You don't get AI for free!

    • rubicon33 6 hours ago
      Why do you do in production?
  • panzi 6 hours ago
    Yeah, no thanks. I switched to dbeaver already anyway, because pgadmin was annoying about to which postgres versions it could connect. Too much of a hassle to setup a new version from source back when I tried. With dbeaver I just run ./dbeaver from the extracted .tag.gz. dbeaver is also not a web interface, but a real desktop application (Java, though).
  • Fuzzwah 1 hour ago
    While everyone else is posting top level comments about which tools they're using rather than PgAdmin; I've been a huge fan of Beekeeper Studio since I tried out a range of postgresql db apps such as DBeaver, Postico, etc a few years ago.

    https://www.beekeeperstudio.io

  • vavkamil 7 hours ago
    Quick fix based on https://github.com/pgadmin-org/pgadmin4/issues/9696#issuecom...

    Click on the "Reset layout" button in the query tool (located in the top right corner), and it will move the "AI Assistant" tab to the right. Now, when you query a table, it will default to the Query tab as always.

  • jplaz 4 hours ago
    Switched from DBeaver to DataGrip and I couldn't be happier.
  • aitchnyu 7 hours ago
    Might as well choose our AI subscription for our tools. I always hated the sparkle icons in Mongodb Compass (db browsing tool), Cloudwatch (logs) etc which is wired to a useless model. So I always chose to write Python scripts to query Postgres and other DBs and render pretty tables to CLI.
    • zbentley 6 hours ago
      Eh, as someone generally on the skeptical end of the spectrum for a lot of AI-assisted ops tasks, exploratory query generation is a great use case for it.

      I’m highly proficient in code, only average at SQL, and am routinely tasked to answer one-off questions or prototype reporting queries against highly complex schemas of thousands of tables (owned by multiple teams and changing all the time, with wildly insufficient shared DAO libraries or code APIs for constructing novel queries). My skill breakdown and situation aren’t optimal, certainly, but they aren’t uncommon either.

      In that context, being able to ask “write a query that returns the last ten addresses of each of the the highest-spending customers, but only if those addresses are in rhetorical shipment system and are residences, not businesses”. Like, I could figure out the schemas of the ten tables involved in those queries and write those joins by hand, slowly. That would take time and, depending on data queries, the approach might get stale fast.

  • stuaxo 6 hours ago
    If I can use this with a local LLM it could be useful.
    • kay_o 4 hours ago
      In ollama is included default add the endpoint URL yourself
    • zbentley 6 hours ago
      Yeah. This seems like an area where a “tiny” (2-4GB) local model would be more than sufficient to generate very high quality queries and schema answers to the vast majority of questions. To the point that it feels outright wasteful to pay a frontier model for it.
  • msavara 5 hours ago
    No thank you. One of the worst ads for python that exists. The only one worse than pgAdmin is Windows 11.
  • allthetime 3 hours ago
    postico is really nice on macos
  • naranha 7 hours ago
    The only interface that works for me efficiently with LLMs is the chatbot interface. I rather copy and paste snippets into the chat box than have IDEs and other tools guess what I might want to ask AI.

    The first thing I do with these integration is look how I can remove them.