Television is 100 years old today

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137 points | by qassiov 4 hours ago

17 comments

  • willturman 2 minutes ago
    > It’s entirely possible that my plangent noises about the impossibility of rebelling against an aura that promotes and vitiates all rebellion say more about my residency inside that aura, my own lack of vision, than they do about any exhaustion of U.S. fiction’s possibilities. The next real literary “rebels” in this country might well emerge as some weird bunch of anti-rebels, born oglers who dare somehow to back away from ironic watching, who have the childish gall actually to endorse and instantiate single-entendre principles. Who treat of plain old untrendy human troubles and emotions in U.S. life with reverence and conviction. Who eschew self-consciousness and hip fatigue. These anti-rebels would be outdated, of course, before they even started. Dead on the page. Too sincere. Clearly repressed. Backward, quaint, naïve, anachronistic. Maybe that’ll be the point. Maybe that’s why they’ll be the next real rebels. Real rebels, as far as I can see, risk disapproval. The old postmodern insurgents risked the gasp and squeal: shock, disgust, outrage, censorship, accusations of socialism, anarchism, nihilism. Today’s risks are different. The new rebels might be artists willing to risk the yawn, the rolled eyes, the cool smile, the nudged ribs, the parody of gifted ironists, the “Oh how banal.” To risk accusations of sentimentality, melodrama. Of overcredulity. Of softness. Of willingness to be suckered by a world of lurkers and starers who fear gaze and ridicule above imprisonment without law. Who knows. Today’s most engaged young fiction does seem like some kind of line’s end’s end. I guess that means we all get to draw our own conclusions. Have to. Are you immensely pleased.

    - David Foster Wallace, E Unibus Pluram: Television and US Fiction

  • Deanallen 28 minutes ago
    > Television, he notes, has introduced the phrase "now this", which implies a complete absence of connection between the separate topics the phrase ostensibly connects.

    This idea is why I always take media with a grain of salt. The decontexualization makes it easy for people to be reactive towards something, that isn’t logical

    Eg “now this is why <insert person or group> is good/evil”

    People call me the devils advocate when I point out these nuances but I just think we need to be much more critical when forming and holding opinions.

    • masfuerte 20 minutes ago
      What are you quoting?
      • criddell 15 minutes ago
        Sounds like something from Neil Postman’s excellent book Amusing Ourselves to Death.
  • ofrzeta 46 minutes ago
    Neil Postman's theory still holds up and is extended to the Internet

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

    • willturman 14 minutes ago
      > In the introduction to Amusing Ourselves to Death, Postman said that the contemporary world was better reflected by Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, whose public was oppressed by their addiction to amusement, rather than by Orwell's work, where they were oppressed by state violence.

      And modern America asked itself, why can't it be both?

  • bilsbie 1 hour ago
    Odd we never adapted to it.

    Video has a strange hypnotic power over most people and messages seem to bypass normal mental defenses.

    • Geste 1 hour ago
      I'd say we did, you need more and more for the same effect.

      Here is the first ad ever, for a watch : https://youtu.be/ho2OJfXkvpI

      For comparison, here is the latest ad for the best selling watch as of today : https://youtu.be/kdMTc5WfnkM

      • andai 54 minutes ago
        Everyone's trying too hard to stand out, but honestly the first one would stand out more today, despite being a still image!
  • throw0101a 5 minutes ago
    In interesting plot point in the novel/movie Contact (early, so not much of a spoiler):

    > […] This puts her at odds with much of the scientific community, including Drumlin, who pushes to defund SETI. Eventually, the project detects a signal from Vega, 26 light-years away, transmitting prime numbers.[a][b] Further analysis reveals a retransmission of Adolf Hitler's 1936 Olympic speech, the first TV signal to escape Earth's ionosphere.[1]

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_(novel)

  • jedberg 1 hour ago
    This is interesting. John Logie Baird did in fact demonstrate something that looked like TV, but the technology was a dead end.

    Philo Farnsworth demonstrated a competing technology a few years later, but every TV today is based on his technology.

    So, who actually invented Television?

    • armadsen 1 hour ago
      For what it’s worth, Philo Farnsworth and John Logie Baird were friendly with each other. I was lucky to know Philo’s wife Pem very well in the last part of her life, and she spoke highly of Baird as a person.

      David Sarnoff and RCA was an entirely different matter, of course…

    • MoonWalk 1 hour ago
      You should read about the invention of color television. There were two competing methods, one of which depended on a spinning wheel with colored filters in it. If I remember correctly, you needed something like a 10-foot wheel to have a 27-inch TV.

      Sure enough, this was the system selected as the winner by the U.S. standard-setting body at the time. Needless to say, it failed and was replaced by what we ended up with... which still sucked because of the horrible decision to go to a non-integer frame rate. Incredibly, we are for some reason still plagued by 29.97 FPS long after the analog system that required it was shut off.

      • eternauta3k 51 minutes ago
        Why is an integer frame rate better?
        • zoky 20 minutes ago
          For one thing, it’s much easier to measure spans of time when you have an integer frame rate. For example, 1 hour at 30fps is exactly 108,000 frames, but at 29.97 it’s only 107,892 frames. Since frame numbers must all have an integer time code, “drop-frame” time code is used, where each second has a variable number of frames so that by the end of each measured hour the total elapsed time syncs up with the time code, i.e. “01:00:00;00” falls after exactly one hour has passed. This is of course crucial when scheduling programs, advertisements, and so on. It’s a confusing mess and historically has caused all kinds of headaches for the TV industry over the years.
      • iso1631 46 minutes ago
        Originally you had 30fps, it was the addition of colour with the NTSC system that dropped it to 30000/1001fps. That wasn't a decision taken lightly -- it was a consequence of retrofitting colour onto a black and white system while maintaining backward compatibility.

        When the UK (and Europe) went colour it changed to a whole new system and didn't have to worry too much about backward compatibility. It had a higher bandwidth (8mhz - so 33% more than NTSC), and was broadcasting on new channels separate to the original 405 lines. It also had features like alternating the phase of every other line to reduce the "tint" or "never twice the same color" problem that NTSC had

        America chose 30fps but then had to slow it by 1/1001ths to avoid interference.

        Of course because by the 90s and the growth of digital, there was already far too much stuff expecting "29.97"hz so it remained, again for backward compatibility.

        • Dwedit 1 minute ago
          60 interlaced fields per second, not 30 frames per second. The two fields do not necessarily contribute to the same frame.
        • masfuerte 10 minutes ago
          In the UK the two earliest channels (BBC1 and ITV) continued to broadcast in the 405 line format (in addition to PAL) until 1985. Owners of ancient televisions had 20 years to upgrade. That doesn't seem unreasonable.
    • chasil 1 hour ago
      I had a communications theory class in college that addressed "vestigal sideband modulation," which I believe was implemented by Farnsworth. I think this is a critical aspect to the introduction of television technology.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-sideband_modulation#Sup...

      • drmpeg 46 minutes ago
        VSB came later. From https://www.tvtechnology.com/opinions/hdtv-from-1925-to-1994

        In the United States in 1935, the Radio Corporation of America demonstrated a 343-line television system. In 1936, two committees of the Radio Manufacturers Association (RMA), which is now known as the Consumer Electronics Association, proposed that U.S. television channels be standardized at a bandwidth of 6 MHz, and recommended a 441-line, interlaced, 30 frame-per-second television system. The RF modulation system proposed in this recommendation used double-sideband, amplitude-modulated transmission, limiting the video bandwidth it was capable of carrying to 2.5 MHz. In 1938, this RMA proposal was amended to employ vestigial-sideband (VSB) transmission instead of double sideband. In the vestigial-sideband approach, only the upper sidebands-those above the carrier frequency-plus a small segment or vestige of the lower sidebands, are transmitted. VSB raised the transmitted video bandwidth capability to 4.2 MHz. Subsequently, in 1941, the first National Television Systems Committee adopted the vestigial sideband system using a total line rate of 525 lines that is used in the United States today.

    • cultofmetatron 59 minutes ago
      > but every TV today is based on his technology.

      Philo Farnsworth invented the cathode ray tube. unless you're writing this from the year 2009 or before, I'm going to have to push back on the idea that tv's TODAY are based on his technology. They most certainly are not.

      • _nub3 31 minutes ago
        1897 Ferdinand Braun invents the Cathode Ray Tube dubbed "Braunsche Röhre"

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenjiro_Takayanagi

        'Although he failed to gain much recognition in the West, he built the world's first all-electronic television receiver, and is referred to as "the father of Japanese television"'

        He presented it in 1926 (Farnsworth in 1927)

        However father of television was this dude:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_von_Ardenne

        Better resolution, wireless transmission and Olympics 1936

      • shellac 51 minutes ago
        No, Braun invented the cathode ray tube.
    • reactordev 1 hour ago
      Baird did. Farnsworth invented the all-electric version (sans mechanical parts).

      A kin to Ed Roberts, John Blakenbaker and Mark Dean invented the personal computer but Apple invented the PC as we know it.

    • AndrewDucker 1 hour ago
      There were a great many small breakthroughs over time. Where you draw the line is up to you.
    • tehwebguy 1 hour ago
      Farnsworth…
  • augusteo 41 minutes ago
    The Baird vs Farnsworth debate reminds me of similar discussions in tech. The first demo rarely becomes the dominant standard.

    What strikes me is how fast the iteration was. Baird went from hatboxes and bicycle lenses to color TV prototypes in just two years. That's the kind of rapid experimentation we're seeing with AI right now, though compressed even further.

  • wglass 33 minutes ago
    Related to discussion on Baird vs. Farnsworth, there's a plaque honoring Farnsworth on Green Street in San Francisco. https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/cal0941.asp
  • tosti 1 hour ago
    High definition is nearly 90 years old? I guess their definition of high is quite low by more modern standards.
    • ronsor 1 hour ago
      Going from 30 lines to 300 lines is a big leap!
    • anthk 1 hour ago
      Cinema was "HD" by design. So, in some way, 35mm movies are HD quality and predate PAL and NTSC standards.
      • tosti 30 minutes ago
        Sure, but that's not TV.
  • TacticalCoder 1 hour ago
    And 100 years ago my great-aunt and grandmother (both RIP) were little kids and my great-grandmother, born in the 19th century and which I knew very well for she lived until 99 years old, was filming them playing on the beach using a "Pathe Baby" hand camera.

    I still have the reels, they look like this:

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Films_Path%C3%A9-Bab...

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path%C3%A9-Baby

    And we converted some of these reels to digital files (well brothers and I asked a specialized company to "digitalize" them).

    100 years ago people already had cars, tramways (as a kid my great-grandmother tried to look under the first tramway she saw to see "where the horses were hiding"), cameras to film movies, telephones, the telegraph existed, you could trade the stock market and, well, it's knew to me but TV was just invented too.

    • TeMPOraL 19 minutes ago
      On the one hand, it's fascinating to know just how much of what shapes our lives was already there a hundred years ago in some form.

      On the other hand, it's just as fascinating to realize that all that, and ~everything that shapes modern life, did not exist until ~200 years ago. Not just appliances, but medicines and medicine, plastics and greases and other products of petrochemical industry and everything built on top of it, paints and cleaners and materials and so on...

  • empressplay 22 minutes ago
  • jakedata 1 hour ago
    Inspired one of my absolute favorite Zappa grooves.

    I am the Slime

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiCQcEW98OY

    I am gross and perverted

    I'm obsessed and deranged

    I have existed for years

    But very little has changed

    I'm the tool of the Government

    And industry too

    For I am destined to rule

    And regulate you

    I may be vile and pernicious

    But you can't look away

    I make you think I'm delicious

    With the stuff that I say

    I'm the best you can get

    Have you guessed me yet?

    I'm the slime oozin' out

    From your TV set

    You will obey me while I lead you

    And eat the garbage that I feed you

    Until the day that we don't need you

    Don't go for help, no one will heed you

    Your mind is totally controlled

    It has been stuffed into my mold

    And you will do as you are told

    Until the rights to you are sold

    That's right, folks

    Don't touch that dial

    Well, I am the slime from your video

    Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

    I am the slime from your video

    Can't stop the slime, people, look at me go

    I am the slime from your video

    Oozin' along on your livin' room floor

    I am the slime from your video

    Can't stop the slime, people, look at me go

    Source: Musixmatch

    Songwriters: Frank Zappa

    I'm The Slime lyrics © Munchkin Music Co

  • morkalork 1 hour ago
    Long live the new flesh
  • fuzzfactor 41 minutes ago
    My buddy has an old Portacolor, but it's only 60.
  • throw4847285 32 minutes ago
    Really? But Marquee Moon isn't even 50 years old yet. What were they doing for the first 50?
  • maximgeorge 20 minutes ago
    [dead]
  • racl101 1 hour ago
    Thank you Mr. Farnsworth.
    • goda90 53 minutes ago
      Philo Farnsworth did make considerable contribution to television with his image dissector, but he didn't make the first TV. He was the first TV patent holder in the US though.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television#History

    • a3w 1 hour ago
      And in Futurama, a man with the same family name invents a universal remote. The [drumroll] longer finger!