Kodak ran a secret nuclear device in its basement for decades

(popularmechanics.com)

111 points | by cainxinth 6 days ago

9 comments

  • jandrewrogers 23 minutes ago
    When I studied chemistry at university, only a handful of select students were introduced to the nuclear science lab in the basement. It had a lot of spicy isotopes, neutron sources, etc. Even as a chemistry student with free run of the place for years I had no idea it was in the building until the department head pulled a few of us aside.

    The reason for the informal secrecy, as it was explained to me, is that every so often someone would find out there was plutonium etc in the basement and have a public freak out, including on occasion other (non-STEM) professors at the same university. These people would try to organize crusades to get it shut down because evil. Intentionally obscuring its existence greatly mitigated this drama. They appreciated us continuing the tradition of keeping it out of sight and out of mind from the general public.

    The publicity around this Kodak case was an example of why no one talks about nuclear labs. The public cannot be trusted to engage in a discussion about anything “nuclear” in good faith. There are quite a few areas of science like this.

    • orioni 11 minutes ago
      This is just like how universities hide their animal research facilities. It wasn't until the final year of my biology degree that I found out we had a basement floor under our life sciences building where this research is carried out.

      I visited a few times as part of a research project I was involved in, and that experience was one of the factors that put me off pursuing a career in biomedical research.

    • fragmede 6 minutes ago
      Same thing with animal testing. You don't get to know where the monkey labs are but the alternative is we test on poor people? learn to keep secrets, people.
    • billy99k 9 minutes ago
      These public freak outs is also why we don't have abundant nuclear energy.

      The climate activists of the 60s-90s stopped us from building more reactors, one of the cleanest sources of energy ever known.

      • cogman10 1 minute ago
        Climate activists backed and propagandized by the fossil fuel industry and the KGB.

        And now that there are a number of barriers to creating new nuclear, the propaganda has flipped with fossil fuel companies supporting nuclear because they know it'll be decades before anything real can happen.

        I have nothing against nuclear and if it can be built I'm for it. But at the moment, solar + battery is quick to deploy and about as cheap as you can get.

  • imglorp 2 hours ago
    What a neat device. Unlike those extra spicy, dangerous sources that say "drop and run" on them, this thing only runs when you line up the CF-252 with the HEU plates. It has an off switch to stop the cascade. Perfect for lab use.
  • wumms 5 hours ago
    > In 1975, Kodak powered up the country’s first californium neutron flux multiplier (CFX) ... to provide Kodak R&D with an ample stream of neutrons for materials analysis. > If an X-ray shows you the crack in a pipe, neutrons will show you the leak.
  • wkat4242 2 hours ago
    It wasn't a secret like the article admits later on.
    • jandrewrogers 12 minutes ago
      There are no secrets in a legal sense e.g. NDAs. However, there is a culture around private nuclear labs of giving no hint of their existence so that they can hide in plain sight.

      The objective is to avoid attention, not to be secret per se, though the effect can be similar.

    • Yokolos 1 hour ago
      Seems like a distinction without a difference to me?

      > And aside from a license renewal snafu in 1980, the device made no waves until its existence was shared with the local newspaper—it wasn’t a secret, just unpublicized.

      • quinndexter 55 minutes ago
        I think "secret nuclear device" and "license renewal" are kind of conceptually incongruous, even if only at a surface level.
        • Yokolos 38 minutes ago
          The license renewal has nothing to do with anything. It's not related to the incident where its existence was revealed. This is about "secret" vs "unpublicized", not "secret" vs "license renewal".
  • pinewurst 6 days ago
  • randallsquared 2 hours ago
    > Indeed, it’s difficult to imagine trusting private corporations with the stuff atomic bombs are made of today.

    Valar Atomics would like a word.

  • rzzzt 5 hours ago
    I'm getting "Windows Subsystem for Linux" vibes from the project name. Shouldn't this be called a HEUFX with a Californium source?
  • richardatlarge 5 hours ago
    Quote: "and though it takes roughly 100 pounds of it to build an atomic bomb...”

    Are they stupid at PM or just selling misinformation?