Engineering Buy-In

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29 points | by venkii 21 hours ago

5 comments

  • JonChesterfield 15 hours ago
    This is a good article about trying to get large engineering companies to do anything. Way too much of it rings true.

    I'd like to mention that there's a converse. Say you're in a meeting and some idea comes up which you don't like the look of. There are different ways to sabotage it which probably also apply across multiple companies.

    The most vicious I know of is to emphasise both the value and the risks of the idea if it goes slightly wrong to justify looping in a substantial number of senior people, ideally a pre-existing committee structure. Provided you can get a couple of people with no free time to engage with the idea and schedule a recurring meeting about it, you've successfully stalled the project for a number of years. That's usually enough for the proposer to run out of patience.

    Also, I'm curious whether this style of engineering is what tends to kill established companies. A sort of stagnation until the competition overtakes it.

  • Velorivox 19 hours ago
    This is called nemawashi in Japanese. Plenty of literature exists on it (if you look for that term).
  • burnt-resistor 13 hours ago
    One anti-pattern at most MAANGs is too many senior people refuse to listen to ideas of others because their egos are too large. (Not unexpected when someone lives in a tiny corner of the company and is paid $500k-$1.5M TC.) They believe only their ideas are "better" and everyone else should only listen to them. There are 2 ways to approach this: either lead them to an idea and let them take credit, or work somewhere else because particularly stubborn "old dogs" don't want to learn "new tricks."
  • kridsdale1 19 hours ago
    Impressive corporate-savvy from someone with not too many years in the game.

    I also had my early career years at Apple. Knowing this stuff is the only way to survive. And we didn’t have Slack or Google Docs at the time, only email.

    • harryvederci 19 hours ago
      > And we didn’t have Slack or Google Docs at the time, only email.

      Sounds like you had an unfair advantage!

  • rcbdev 17 hours ago
    This is great but as usual, the specifics on 'how to execute' are highly culture-dependent. Some of the ways he proposes to talk to decision makers would cause them to be seen as unserious or disingenuous where I'm from.

    For example, hitting senior people with 3-4 questions via Chat or, godforbid, sending them a Word Document with questions would not get you taken very seriously here.

    Subtlety is key. Less is more.