Show HN: Postgres as a VectorDB GUI

(github.com)

157 points | by z-gort 2 days ago

10 comments

  • wenc 2 days ago
    This is good, but could also be good to mention that you're using umap for dimensionality reduction with cosine metric.

    https://github.com/Z-Gort/Reservoirs-Lab/blob/main/src/elect...

    Dimensionality reduction from n >> 2 dimensions to 2 dimensions can be very fickle, so the hyperparameters matter. Your visualization can change significantly significantly depending on choice of metric.

    https://umap-learn.readthedocs.io/en/latest/parameters.html

    You may want to consider projecting to more than 2 dimensions too. You may ask, how does one visualize more than two dimensions? Through a scatterplot matrix of 2 axes at a time.

    https://seaborn.pydata.org/examples/scatterplot_matrix.html

    These are used for PCA-type multivariate analyses to visualize latent variables in higher dimensions than 2, but 2 dimensions at a time. Some clustering behavior that cannot be seen in 2 axes might be seen in higher dimensions. We used to do this our lab to find anomalies in high dimensions.

    • isoprophlex 2 days ago
      About fickleness... indeed i've found this a kinda problematic thing when running large-d text embeddings through umap -- it always comes out spherical, blob-shaped, without any obvious segregation in the low-d projected space.

      IMO it's very difficult to make a "fire and forget" embedding interpreter. Maybe I never found the right parameters to umap but the results of running it (or any dimension reduction algo) always left me a bit underwhelmed.

      • antman 2 days ago
        Have you tried PaCMAP? It should be better and faster
        • wenc 1 day ago
          Thanks for the pointer to PacMap.

          I just tried it. My verdict?

          PacMap >= UMAP >> t-SNE.

          UMAP captures the basic pattern but PacMap makes it crisper.

        • isoprophlex 1 day ago
          Wow, thanks for that!
  • gregncheese 2 days ago
    I have yet to find a better tool than the old Tensorflow projector: https://projector.tensorflow.org/

    Granted, it requires to prepare your data into TSV files first.

    • wenc 2 days ago
      That is indeed an excellent tool. Allows one to dynamically adjust and recompute umap and t-sne.
  • z-gort 2 days ago
    lmk if anyone has any thoughts...if I could go back I may have not gone through Electron

    Doing dimensionality reduction locally posed a few challenges in terms of application size--the idea was that by analyzing just a few thousand randomly sampled points you can get an idea of your data through a local GUI where you interact with your data and see some correlated metadata.

    Not sure if there's too much need for an individual GUI to go along with Postgres as a VectorDB, maybe people just do analysis separate from a normal "GUI"? But maybe not.

    What you think?

    • maxchehab 2 days ago
      Just some fast feedback, I can't copy & paste in the connection url input form. On a mac.

      Once loaded, I get the error "Table must contain a UUID column for vector visualization."

      I'm assuming it's trying to find an ID column for grouping? Can we manually specify this? My ID columns are varchars.

      • garybake 2 days ago
        Same here. I'm using langchain which creates a varchar id column. It also has different collections on the same table.
  • redwood 2 days ago
    Have folks seen https://atlas.nomic.ai/ <-- absolutely beautiful vector visualization
    • Alifatisk 2 hours ago
      Seem to require sign ups just to view it.
    • dcreater 1 day ago
      Proprietary hosted solution to gain as I uncover insights in my data? Hard pass
  • abadid 23 hours ago
    Why use PostgreSQL instead of columnar databases that are likely to perform way better for these types of analytical workloads?
  • paddy_m 2 days ago
    README suggestions:

    Put the animated gif at the top

    Add subtitles to the gif explaining what you're doing.

    • dcreater 1 day ago
      If I had a nickel for GUI/viz tools that bury the image/video or straight up don't have it in the readme.. lends credence to the popular opinion that engineers don't know how to communicate
  • ddtaylor 2 days ago
    Does this use pgVector?
    • z-gort 2 days ago
      It lets you visualize any column with type "EMBEDDING", and I think the only way to get that is through pgvector/pgvectorscale.
  • samanthasu 2 days ago
    That is excellent visualization!
  • dmezzetti 2 days ago
    Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
  • thangngoc89 2 days ago
    As a non-native English speaker and not very familiar with vector database, the title seems very ambiguous to me. I understand it as Postgres as a GUI for some VectorDB. Upon closer inspection, I realized that "Postgres as a VectorDB" is a full name. Maybe shorten that thing to something else. Just my 2 cents.
    • colechristensen 2 days ago
      It’s just plain bad grammar, the title should be

      “Show HN: Reservoirs Lab, a Postgres VectorDB GUI”

      • monsieurbanana 2 days ago
        I think the confusing term is "VectorDB" which sounds like a name of an existing product. "A vector db GUI powered by Postgres"?