Nvidia Rides AI Wave to Pass Apple as Largest Company

(bloomberg.com)

56 points | by LopRabbit 3 hours ago

7 comments

  • unsnap_biceps 4 minutes ago
    I really wonder how the future tariffs are going to shape the AI industry. Are we going to see huge AI clusters being hosted overseas? Will it eat into Nvidia's bottom line or will consumers just eat the price increase?
  • nvidiafanbot 1 hour ago
    Apple has an entire diversified product roadmap and ecosystem. Nvidia has a gpu. I don’t see longevity for Nvidia.
    • paxys 30 minutes ago
      Take away iPhone and Apple is worth at best 1/10 of its current market cap. The company isn't as diversified as you think.
    • aurareturn 53 minutes ago
      Apple has the iPhone. It’s very concentrated in the iPhone. You can say services but services are powered by the iPhone as well.
    • ikrenji 46 minutes ago
      a gpu is all you need if you’re one of two companies worldwide that makes them
      • ClassyJacket 22 minutes ago
        Especially if you're the only one that makes GPUs for AI use
    • Dr_Birdbrain 1 hour ago
      (deleted because I was wrong)
      • andsoitis 1 hour ago
        > Do they even do any R&D anymore?

        Yes.

        “Apple annual research and development expenses for 2024 were $31.37B, a 4.86% increase from 2023. Apple annual research and development expenses for 2023 were $29.915B, a 13.96% increase from 2022. Apple annual research and development expenses for 2022 were $26.251B, a 19.79% increase from 2021”

        https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/researc...

      • mgh2 1 hour ago
        Regarding R&D: They have quite a few reports integrating their products with health.

        Ex: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41491121

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41948739

        Tested by community: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41799324

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42019694

        VR was a 10 year or so project but agreed no product-market fit yet.

      • godelski 49 minutes ago

          > They seem to have lost faith in their own ability to innovate.
        
        As they should. I mean they can, but they have to change course. All of Silicon Valley has tried to disenfranchise the power users. With excuses that most people don't want those things or how users are too dumb. But the power users are what drives the innovation. Sure, they're a small percentage, but they are the ones who come into your company and hit the ground running. They are the ones that will get to know the systems in and out. They do these things because they specifically want to accomplish things that the devices/software doesn't already do. In other words: innovation. But everyone (Google and Microsoft included) are building walled gardens. Pushing out access. So what do you do? You get the business team to innovate. So what do they come up with? "idk, make it smaller?" "these people are going wild over that gpt thing, let's integrate that!"

        But here's the truth: there is no average user. Or rather, the average user is not representative of the distribution of users. If you build for average, you build for no one. It is hard to invent things, so use the power of scale. It is literally at your fingertips if you want it. Take advantage of the fact that you have a cash cow. That means you can take risks, that you can slow down and make sure you are doing things right. You're not going to die tomorrow if you don't ship, you can take on hard problems and *really* innovate. But you have to take off the chains. Yes, powerful tools are scary, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use them.

        • andsoitis 45 minutes ago
          > the average user is not representative of the distribution of users.

          What does this mean? Just thinking about iPhones: As of September 2024, there are an estimated 1.382 billion active iPhone users worldwide, which is a 3.6% increase from the previous year. In the United States, there are over 150 million active iPhone users.

    • andsoitis 42 minutes ago
      > Nvidia has a gpu.

      In addition to the GPUs (which they invented) that Nvidia designs and manufactures for gaming, cryptocurrency mining, and other professional applications, the company also creates chip systems for use in vehicles, robotics, and other tools.

      • Legend2440 30 minutes ago
        Okay, but $22.6B of their $26B revenue this quarter was from datacenter GPUs.

        The only reason they are this big right now is because they are selling H100s, mostly to other big tech companies.

      • archerx 14 minutes ago
        Really? Nvidia’s marketing and PR teams are trying to trick people into thinking that they invented GPUs? Does Nvidia have no shame and or scruples?

        The term "GPU" was coined by Sony in reference to the 32-bit Sony GPU (designed by Toshiba) in the PlayStation video game console, released in 1994.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_processing_unit

  • gnabgib 3 hours ago
    Discussion (79 points, 12 days ago, 48 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41952389
  • ChrisArchitect 47 minutes ago
  • PittleyDunkin 1 hour ago
    "largest" in terms of market valuation; so, not a very substantial measure.
    • aurareturn 56 minutes ago
      For public companies, market cap is the most important metric. So it’s the most substantial measure to me.
      • RayVR 42 minutes ago
        Why is market cap the most important metric? It does not exist in a void. Market cap + P/E or forward P/E, P/B, P/S, etc. are all metrics of high import.

        Market cap is one piece of a complicated picture. On its own, you don't know too much.

        • wbl 18 minutes ago
          And how much money do you make from trading large cap US equities?
      • Legend2440 37 minutes ago
        Market cap is kind of made up. The stock is worth what people believe it to be worth.

        Profit is the number that really matters.

      • itake 29 minutes ago
        if there are 100 shares in a company, but 2 people own them. person1 has 99 shares. person2 has 1 share. person1 sells their share for $100 to person3.

        Does that mean the market cap is worth $10k? yes. is that meaningful if there are no other buyers at $100? no.

  • seydor 59 minutes ago
    Like Tesla but bonkers
    • bitwize 49 minutes ago
      Need I remind you who runs Tesla? Tesla is already bonkers.
      • imp0cat 13 minutes ago
        Isn't that a different kind of bonkers though?
  • mythz 23 minutes ago
    Weirdly enough for my next "AI hardware" purchase, I'm waiting for the release of the M4 Ultra to max out on VRAM since Nvidia's chips are highly overpriced and using GPU RAM to price gouge the market.

    Since M4 Max allows 128GB RAM I'm expecting M4 Ultra to max out at 256GB RAM. Curious what x86's best value get consumer hardware with 256GB GPU RAM. I've noticed tinygrad offers a 192 GPU RAM setup for $40K USD [1], anything cheaper?

    [1] https://tinygrad.org/#tinygrad